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post #21 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Skipsfirstspike View Post
If you are just looking after her until she is sold, why not just lunge her?
You have no stake in this horse, you were not asked to train her, just exersize her, right? Then why risk injury to yourself or the horse?
Good advice, if you are comfortable working with hre on the ground then lunge her ir long line her.

Originally Posted by BuckskinBorn2Fly View Post
That's true, you do need to get back on no matter what. .

Errrr no you don't need to get on no matter what, you don't HAVE to ride and for sure you don't HAVE to ride a horse that isn't yours and that scares you that much.

I see it from a different view, first of all you were scared and you got an and rode her anyway, so that is a victory in my book, I say congratulations for getting on her not once but twice.

I truly think we need to remember that riding should be fun, there are a lot of us that ride even though we are scared, but there is a huge difference between being nervous scared, as I am most of the time, and being flat out crying and shaking scared. You can work yourself through the jitters, through nerves, through a lot of things, but true terror, then not so easy.

You don't get on with every person that you meet, you aren't going to get on with every horse that you interact with, I've ridden horses that I didn't like, I've ridden horses who I didn't click with, I often ride though I'm scared, BUT I WILL NEVER ride a horse that makes me terrified.
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post #22 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 06:40 PM
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One question I wanted to ask is: How much training did this mare have before she went lame? Was she a seasoned riding horse or was she green broke? Has she been ridden before? Oh, I guess that was 3 questions.

In all honesty, I have to agree with Skips. She isn't your horse. Unless you are being paid to fix her issues, then just exercise her on the lunge. There is no sense in risking your health or hers unless that is what you signed up to do.

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post #23 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KawaiiCharlie View Post
i know it was a huge mistake getting off her, but i was terrified to the point of crying & shaking like a leaf.. i shouldnt have though. i know my hands were low, i was really tense.. i'll try and fix that next time..
I don't think you made a mistake getting off her. It is not ideal but at the end of the day your safety is more important, and as you were feeling like this, you weren't doing any good up there.
Horses can kill you so I think you were right to listen to your fears. If you were training, then getting off a horse is wrong, but you were worried and your safety comes first.

For future, I would lead her to the riding area, so you don't have to worry about crossing a road with an unstable horse. Do this with a bridle on rather than a halter, so you have more control.

Then I would lunge and work from the ground before you even think of getting back on again.

And you are not defeated, you have just reached a stumbling point.
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post #24 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 07:28 PM
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shes cute...
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post #25 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 10:58 PM
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Lots of people here have given good advice. Just want to let you know that your not alone.

About five months ago. My extremely barn sour paint was jigging home. I had a little contact on the bit and WAM, he threw himself over backwards. I mean reared back and jumped into the air backwards. He landed straight onto his back, and by the grace of god I somehow jumped out of the saddle and he didn't land on me. Also we were riding in a riverbed and the sand had to of been a good foot deep leaving both of us unharmed. After making sure both of us were okay (With a thorough unsaddling checking his back) I got back on and rode the rest of the way home (Which was still a good 1.5 miles away and it was getting dark)

Every time I rode on trail after that I cried for a month. I swear I have never been scared by any horse until then, because there was nothing I could do to stop him from throwing himself over so violently like that. I was so scared, every ride I would force myself into the saddle, and to hold myself together enough to try and not give off bad vibes to my horse (Which I doubt he cares about at all, he's oblivious to all that goes on around him)

Its hard there is no way to make it go away, you just can't give up. I thought about retiring Jake after that, but there was so much I wanted to do with him. So I worked through it. It took time...a lot. But I got over it. The fear is still in my mind, where it wasn't before. But it isn't blinding as it was. I can function while still doing what I need to do.

Keep faith in yourself and keep riding.
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post #26 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 11:02 PM
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Trainer's perspective here: Getting off the horse was not wrong, folks...I'm sorry I see it differently; read her post, she said she got off, and proceeded to work the horse from the ground. Key thing here...horse was not put away, she still had to work, period.

Now IF she had simply gotten off and untacked and put the horse up, yes, I would say that getting off was a mistake.

I feel VERY strongly as long as the horse is still having to work, regardless of whether the rider gets off for while to do so, that is what counts. The horse still had to work, so she did not win. Staying on a volatile animal when you don't feel capable of staying with the horse, is what can get you hurt or killed, not getting off and working the horse from the ground. The horse still has to work, so he is not winning the battle. And both horse and rider are safer sometimes that way as well. Getting thrown and getting hurt and NOT being able to get back on later, OR work from the ground is by far much worse.

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post #27 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 11:14 PM
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Sorry to get a little harsh here guys but this girl has received some advice on here that could get her freaking killed. A horse that is full on rearing, obviously upset isn't a horse that ANYONE needs to be riding. Telling this girl to put her big her undies on and get back on is very very silly.

Pride doesn't break but bones do. If you are not required to ride this horse, I would not. It sounds as if she has given you a good fright and you have every right to protect your safety. Lunge the mare, do ground work with her, keep her moving and get her in shape. Get to know her a little bit better before you go trying to convince her to do anything under saddle.
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post #28 of 33 Old 03-10-2011, 11:21 PM
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Staying on a horse that has you overmounted and scared is pure folly. She did the right thing getting off. Better to get off than get dead when the horse flips on her.

This horses needs started over from the ground up to gain some respect and manners with a rider who wont accept any crap from her either. I truely dont believe this is pain.

As someone else once pointedout very aptly....a truely trained horse (think black beauty or rent a horse stables where lame horses still ride all day and sore backed horses still ride every day) will go and go till it just cant go anymore pain or not. It is lack of training and respect and refusal to go forward. Are you able and qualified to do that? If not, walk away. There is no shame knowing when you are overhorsed and walking away from a situation that is too much for your skill level at that moment.


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post #29 of 33 Old 03-11-2011, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
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scratch this, it was my fault she reared.
i spoke to her owner, and she said she only responds to seat and voice commands, not hands & kicking. im used to riding strong horses that lean on the bit, so im kinda heavy with my hands. when i got on she went to walk, so i pulled her back and she responded by rearing. i got back on her today, after lunging her & doing alot of ground work, and used my seat instead of my hands, shes an absolute angel & i really like her. i admit, i was nervous getting back on her, i was shaking a little and at first i only got on and sat on her, then got back off because i didnt think i could do it. but i made myself get back on again, and rode her round for about 20 minutes just in the paddock. shes amazing.
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post #30 of 33 Old 03-11-2011, 02:26 PM
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That's wonderful that you were able to figure that out. Good job!! Now that you know what she needs, she'll help to make you into a better rider. Also, great job having the courage to get back on her today.

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