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        06-25-2011, 11:02 PM
      #11
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    Good suggestions all! Thanks. What are the EZ stirrups and how will that help?
         
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        06-25-2011, 11:03 PM
      #12
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    Spastic Dove. That is pretty much what I was picturing, only with a straigher leg. What I am envisioning might not be possible, though. I have had the stirrups all up and down the line, up and down. I am shopping for saddles, so I am not yet settled between W and E. Probably western. I have less pain with the stirrups long, but not enough stability. I have more stability with the stirrups shorter, but more pain.
         
        06-25-2011, 11:07 PM
      #13
    Showing
    Knees and ankles are shocks for your two-point. Straightening your leg would not only be not terribly functional, but it would transfer the shock to your hip & back, and create a really uncomfortable ride. Beyond that, straightening your leg would make your tib and femur bang on one another; the knee is supposed to be "elastic" if you will, and absorb the shock - take that movement away, and you're pounding more pressure on your femur and tibia. Think of jumping on the spot and landing with your knees bent vs. straight - much more impact on the joint if you don't allow your knee to absorb that shock. If you stiffen one area, you're going to compensate elsewhere.
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        06-25-2011, 11:11 PM
      #14
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    Yeah, I think you are right, Dressage. I have to find a way to get my knees not to ache with conventional stirrup length (though I like the looks of the two-point and still want to try it).
         
        06-25-2011, 11:13 PM
      #15
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    And thanks for the links on the EZs. Will have to try that.
         
        06-26-2011, 01:01 AM
      #16
    Showing
    You`re talking with someone recovering from her second knee surgery. Heh. The flexi-stirrups helped a lot, when I could ride.
         
        06-26-2011, 02:37 AM
      #17
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    DS, when I saw your video of you riding in the saddle on Sassy I kind of picked up on your having your feet kind of rigidly braced out in front of you a bit, which is so different from how you ride bareback. I am wondering if you cannot not approach saddle riding as just the same as bareback.

    First, try riding in the western saddle with your feet hanging out of the stirrups so you get used to sitting in it but still balance in that natural way one does in bareback.
    Then, have your stirrups just long enough that all you do is lift the front of your foot, as high as you can wihtout using your hands to force it up, and tuck it into your stirrup.
    The trick is to NOT change the way you sit in the saddle and to NOT put any more weight into the stirrup and the weight of your foot just haning on it. Your leg just rests there. If you push hard enough to lift the fender off the side of the horse, you are pushing too hard. Ride by your seat, just as you do so nicely in bareback, with legs haning right down under you and stirrups having very little to do with it.

    I don't have marathon runner's knee, so forgive me if I make is sound SO EASY!
         
        06-26-2011, 04:02 AM
      #18
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    O, I think you are right tinyliny. And I think the idea of riding the saddle without the stirrups for a while is a good idea. I was actually surprised that it was harder for me to post the trot in the saddle than it was bareback. And again, I think you are right. I am relying too much on the stirrups as something to brace against, when I ought to just have the same balance I have developed over the last year going bareback.
         
        06-26-2011, 03:46 PM
      #19
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    Well, I have to say that now I think I must spend some time bareback. The one and only time I rode Mac out int he woods bareback (on a pad), he did one of his famous "stop,drop and spin" and I found the ground. Nothingt new for me, but I dont' feel confident to ride out bareback. However, I could ride in our round pen. (we have no arena)

    Also, it is possible that THAT saddle has a design that puts the rider way to much into a "chair" seat, which makes posting challenging. A lot of western saddles are this way. My friend has a Crates saddle that has great balance. I can post very easily in it, all day. My Billy Cook is OK, but puts me a wee bit more chair seated (however, with Mac being a spinner, I need my feet more forward)
         
        06-26-2011, 04:57 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    I thought 2-point and half-seat were the same thing...?

    OP: It sounds like you're asking about trotting in half-seat. (This next bit is something my trainer had drummed into my head over and over and over and...)

    If your butt is hitting the saddle when you're moving the horse forward in half-seat, it means you are not properly balanced. The idea, I believe, is to hover over the seat on a fairly steady basis while still reining and using leg controls. Unfortunately, I waffle between hitting the saddle with my butt and with my hoo-hoo, so I can't remember whether butt-hitting-seat means that my legs are too far back or too far foward (since I hear both of those on a pretty regular basis, LOL).

    I find trotting in a half-seat to be a heck of a lot more comfortable than walking in a half-seat, but I'd say that both of them are pretty taxing on the knees.

    Maybe it would be better, given what you said about your knees, to learn to sit the trot smoothly? (easier said than done, I know)
         

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