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        04-29-2012, 10:21 PM
      #51
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    That must be why folks cut cattle and run barrels in English saddles - because they free up the horse's shoulder to move better.....
    A) They use them because that's what everyone does and because they have handle to hold on to.

    B) You might want to check to see how far a horse's shoulder blade rotates at a gallop vs how far it does when he jumps.
         
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        04-29-2012, 10:34 PM
      #52
    Trained
    A) No.

    B) You might want experience with a western saddle before you discuss what contact there is and where.

    The problem with a western saddle for jumping is that the long tree prevents the horse's back from flexing as much as the horse wants, combined with putting the rider's weight too far back, and being pretty hard to get out of to free up the back.

    That doesn't make it impossible to jump with a western saddle. I saw a clip a few years ago of a guy jumping 4' with a western saddle...but the saddle was an obvious handicap.

    The old style Army jumpers (pre-Caprilli) would have felt OK using a western saddle, but they weren't all that good at jumping, either...

         
        04-29-2012, 10:36 PM
      #53
    Weanling
    A horse's shoulder will rotate more at a jump than a corner, but also rotates quite a lot when they go from side to side at high speeds. In cutting, you can't waste your time holding onto a horn, as a saddle horns only true purpose has isn't to be lung to for dear life. I never hold onto it when I do barrels (for fun...)
         
        04-29-2012, 10:45 PM
      #54
    Weanling
    Crap my brain is dead. Corner = canter/gallop
         
        04-29-2012, 10:47 PM
      #55
    Weanling
    I skimmed over the posts! Glad your looking at another saddle- definitively wouldn't want to jump high/competitive in a western.

    That said... I don't think anyone mentioned this yet. I show trail (both 'show' trail and competitive) and occasionally they'll have a log or a lowish jump set up, so yes I do occasionally jump my horse in a western saddle :) Never caught my bra on the saddle, but maybe that's cause my padding's a little 'closer to home' if you will.
         
        04-29-2012, 10:58 PM
      #56
    Weanling
    Well, I never intend to really show. But that said, I jumped him once in wesstern and he took the jump beautifully, and my bra was no where near being caught. (I actually can't see how that'd work..)
         
        05-01-2012, 06:54 PM
      #57
    Foal
    Ive been jumping for years western and have never been jabbed by the horn and my horses like it just fine. Just remember to never lean forward too much, just lean forward a little or not at all and youll be fine!
         
        05-02-2012, 01:40 AM
      #58
    Weanling
    Thanks to all the fellow cowgirls who threw out some advies :P
         
        05-03-2012, 08:18 PM
      #59
    Foal
    Western saddles aren't made for jumping horses. Their shape and weight distribution is not designed for jumping obstacles. The issue you are having with your horse sounds like either a saddle fit issue, a foreword (mental state, not speed) issue with the horse, or an issue with the rider's seat. Leg pressures should be the same in both english and western. The amount of leg pressure you apply is based on the horse, not the discipline. If you really want to start jumping your horse, I reccomend you go to a saddle fitter for advice. Also, I DON'T reccomend jumping bareback when you are a beginner. That will cause you to clamp on the horse, and most likely slam on the horse's back.
         
        05-04-2012, 07:59 PM
      #60
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by justinebee    
    Western saddles aren't made for jumping horses. Their shape and weight distribution is not designed for jumping obstacles. The issue you are having with your horse sounds like either a saddle fit issue, a foreword (mental state, not speed) issue with the horse, or an issue with the rider's seat. Leg pressures should be the same in both english and western. The amount of leg pressure you apply is based on the horse, not the discipline. If you really want to start jumping your horse, I reccomend you go to a saddle fitter for advice. Also, I DON'T reccomend jumping bareback when you are a beginner. That will cause you to clamp on the horse, and most likely slam on the horse's back.
    I'm not really a beginner. I know the basics of jumping, I just chose to never go higher than 3 feet. I simply didn't want to back when I was younger, and I still have no desire to do so. Small jumps are enough to make me feel awesome. Besides that, I didn't really plan to jump bareback until a) my leg muscles build up and b) to gain the feel of his movements in all the other gaits. Because, y'know, that stuffs important when you don't wanna die. XD

    But cowboys have jumped in a western saddle, respected professionals jump in a western saddle - just because it isn't specialized doesn't make it impossible. Granted I'll be doing what I said I plan to do and get a custom, lightweight saddle (that's at least close to western in appearance) that's small jump friendly. Like, I'm literally going to find someone who will outright build a new saddle.
         

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