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    05-06-2008, 07:43 AM
There is nothing wrong with racing (or other sport) as it is. Wrong is HOW they do it saddle breaking even yearlings sometime for money-money-money.

BTW, I very much disrespect PETA for what they are doing and talking. :)
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    05-06-2008, 07:57 PM
I don't blame breeders for breeding for a specific quality such as speed. If I were big into that kind of stuff I would be mixing lightning with jet speed. If you want a horse to be fast, which they obviously do, why not breed for that specific thing? Why would they need to be durable? If those horses' lives are planned out for them why not breed to fit that lifestyle? Just like halter horse breeders breed for muscle and conformation. Just like hunters breed for length and stride and leg. And so on.
    05-06-2008, 08:17 PM
Harlee - I'm just saying that breeders are breeding ONLY for speed, not soundness. They're not taking into account that the horses need to stay sound after their 5th birthday so they don't all get shipped to slaughter, which is what is happening to a LOT of them. Why not breed for speed and soundness?
As for your comment "why do they need to be durable?" - because horses' life expectancy is 20-30 years and a lot of the racers out there are chronically lame before they're even half that. This shouldn't be happening.
Breakdowns don't have to happen, at least not as often as they are right now. If trainers took more time to introduce their horses to the track and spent more time on worrying about their overall health rather than "we've gotta run her because this is the Derby, it doesn't matter if she might break down" mentality, then there wouldn't be as many breakdowns.
Once again, we as human athletes can say "no" when a sport becomes too much for us. The horses we use can't - we have to watch their health closely and determine when their bodies are saying "no."
Your argument about the halter horses is a completely different thing - they're breeding HYPP N/H horses which I don't agree with either, but generally they're sound well into their late teens or 20's.
As for hunters... again, they're sound well into their late teens. They are bred to last. Who would want a reputation for breeding hunters that were lame before they turned 10?
    05-06-2008, 09:26 PM
^I agree, JDI. ;)
Yeah, half of them don't even make it that old...they get lame. It's really a shame but oh well, that's horse-racing for 'ya.
    05-07-2008, 06:43 PM
I love horse racing,,,i mean come on stuff happens and me being a jockey I've learned to get over things like this,,,of course its sad and its a shame it had to happen to her but horse racing is not going to leave the world anytime soon so things like PETA and its followers need to stop hatin,,,

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    05-07-2008, 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by crazyhorse_joshmo
i love horse racing,,,i mean come on stuff happens and me being a jockey I've learned to get over things like this,,,of course its sad and its a shame it had to happen to her but horse racing is not going to leave the world anytime soon so things like PETA and its followers need to stop hatin,,,

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Problem is, stuff doesn't have to happen.. please read over my posts above and hear me out :)
    05-08-2008, 07:09 PM
I hadn't checked on this topic in a while. I agree with both sides, but mostly with JDI and the others. I think that they start those horses WAY WAY too young. I mean, most jumpers don't get backed until they are three and possibly even older. These horses are in full-swing at three. That's way too young; they're babies and they can't handle it. Some of them can, but a lot of them can't. My horse now has mild arthritis in his back because he was ridden before he was ready.
    05-08-2008, 08:21 PM
Yeah...they do start 'em way too young. Which means the horses are more fragile, so more accidents can occur. :( They aren't as strong, & can't handle it.
    05-10-2008, 10:47 PM
When someone engauges in a certain behaivior with a horse and finds that it often results in disease, injury or death.....a point is reached wherein the resulting "accidents" are not realy accidents at all. They are merely the results of someone who knew the risk involved but chose to ignore it.

In my book, that is getting real close to outright abuse.

    05-11-2008, 01:10 PM
DGW, you're speaking the truth. Horse racing is animal abuse. You doen't mistreat an animal, who you say you love, and respect, and that has no choice in the matter, the way the horse racing industry does. I can understand the thrill, but the consequences are too great. Humans feel entitled to EVERYTHING.

Riding is about respect, communication, and love.

If the horses wanted to run that fast, they would run on their own, and not be continually whipped. Please, just put yourself in the race horses' horseshoes.

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