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post #31 of 62 Old 05-11-2008, 01:15 PM
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But! Everyone is entitled to their opinion - these are important topics :)
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DGW, you're speaking the truth. Horse racing is animal abuse. You doen't mistreat an animal, who you say you love, and respect, and that has no choice in the matter, the way the horse racing industry does. I can understand the thrill, but the consequences are too great. Humans feel entitled to EVERYTHING.

Riding is about respect, communication, and love.

If the horses wanted to run that fast, they would run on their own, and not be continually whipped. Please, just put yourself in the race horses' horseshoes.
I actually like horse racing, and support responsable trainers. It's the trainers that push too far, too much, too hard, that ruin it.


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DGW, you're speaking the truth. Horse racing is animal abuse. You doen't mistreat an animal, who you say you love, and respect, and that has no choice in the matter, the way the horse racing industry does. I can understand the thrill, but the consequences are too great. Humans feel entitled to EVERYTHING.

Riding is about respect, communication, and love.

If the horses wanted to run that fast, they would run on their own, and not be continually whipped. Please, just put yourself in the race horses' horseshoes.
I actually like horse racing, and support responsable trainers. It's the trainers that push too far, too much, too hard, that ruin it.
I'm just wondering (genuinely)...what makes up a responsible race horse trainer in the industry?
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I know...they really shouldn't work a YOUNG horse so hard like that. :( I really feel bad for those horses. Like I said, they're more fragile & cannot handle all that.

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I'm just wondering (genuinely)...what makes up a responsible race horse trainer in the industry?
Honestly? Although some of these are tall orders, I think that a responsable racehorse owner:
- doesn't start the horse before age of 2 (at least. I prefer 3, but all things considered I'll let it be there)
- start the horse to the track slowly
- watch the horse very closely for any signs of stress or pain, and stop training/racing until injuries are healed
- if a horse is injured or showing signs of potential injury, the owner/trainer won't train the horse hard nor race it until it's back to health
- The horse will not be pushed beyond its limits, and the owner/trainer will pay attention to when the horse's body is saying it's done
- Will not race or train a horse in dangerous conditions, and will not use "artificial aids" (such as excessive use of the whip, use of any "zappers" etc)
- Will take responsability for all horses they train and race, and will take the best precautions for each horse to not become lame or have a breakdown. In addition, they will find good homes for the horses after their race careers are over - they will NOT dump them in a low-end sale.

Alright I'm sure I'll think of more, but those are the basics. :)


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JDI - Those all sound great, and that would be a great outline for a trainer to follow (I've liked viewing your responses to things- you know what you're talking about) Too bad most racehorses are considered "old" by the time they're four. I guess my point is that those ideal steps aren't taken whatsoever in the racing industry... the racing industry is built on ridiculous expectations of horses...like any multi-BILLION dollar industry - there is major corruption...the racing industry is no exception. People hate greyhound racing- and feel soooo bad for the doggies, but what makes horse racing different? These animals are exploited to the fullest.

I truly have no sympathy for the folks who say they "loved" Barbaro. All they wanted was to save his leg so he could at least mount and make them a buck (or some rockin' foals for that matter )
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Yeah... :( Ah...people will never learn.

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JDI - Those all sound great, and that would be a great outline for a trainer to follow (I've liked viewing your responses to things- you know what you're talking about) Too bad most racehorses are considered "old" by the time they're four. I guess my point is that those ideal steps aren't taken whatsoever in the racing industry... the racing industry is built on ridiculous expectations of horses...like any multi-BILLION dollar industry - there is major corruption...the racing industry is no exception. People hate greyhound racing- and feel soooo bad for the doggies, but what makes horse racing different? These animals are exploited to the fullest.

I truly have no sympathy for the folks who say they "loved" Barbaro. All they wanted was to save his leg so he could at least mount and make them a buck (or some rockin' foals for that matter )
Well thank you! I've enjoyed chatting with you, you sure know your stuff as well - it's great having an intelligent conversation rather than an immature "yeah well!" argument ;)
I agree, the system is corrupted, unfortunately there's money on the line and some people don't care the cost to be "the best."

There are a few things I want to comment on:

"Too bad most racehorses are considered "old" by the time they're four"

Agreed. And actually when I first heard of Standardbred racing, I was shocked to hear of 5 year olds racing.. and that's when I was young.
It's not right for a horse's career to be over at the "old age" of 5. Let me rephrase that, it's not right for horses to be crippled at the age of 5; breeders and trainers should take better care to keep the horses sound well into their teens. Too many "OTTB" horses are chronically lame before they're 10 - that should be sickening to any horseperson.

"like any multi-BILLION dollar industry - there is major corruption"
Yes. Sickening isn't it?

"People hate greyhound racing- and feel soooo bad for the doggies, but what makes horse racing different?"
A few factors that I'll list, there are more, but I'll stick to these 3:
1) Dogs are pets, horses are livestock - at least to some (I know my horse is a pet!). More people have everyday interactions with dogs, compared to horses - so when the media exposes dog cruelty, a lot more people are going to be outraged. Not saying that there aren't people outraged by horse racing, but not as many are involved in horses.
2) Horses are viewed as being big and tough, people don't realize they aren't as thick-skinned as, say, cows, and are very responsive.
3) The big money-makers can cover up stories by handing out some cash. All of a sudden Eight Belles broken ankles are a big tragedy, when really chances are it wasn't a freak accident, but really greedy owners/trainers that pushed her too fast when there was a pre-existing condition.


I'm not a bleeding heart that bubble-wraps Maia and keeps her in a padded stall, but I don't push her to her breaking point either. Maybe that's because I view her as a pet, not an avenue to the big bucks.


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Yeah, I know animals are viewed differently depending on their audience- ex. dogs vs. horses.... livestock definitely is treated differently - just look at the beef/dairy industry... I just hope that the recent tragic events start opening the public's eyes, changes will happen, and responsible training will occur.

Has anyone seen the article in Time magazine about Eight Belles? My dad in Jers is sending it to me - he, being a non-horse person, found it very interesting. Wondering if any of you read it??
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