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post #11 of 110 Old 11-24-2012, 08:19 PM Thread Starter
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oh Lynn that scares me so much. This is why I love the programs Equine Canada has started like the Instructor Of Beginners and Competition Coach. Then there is the trusty Pony Club(where I got my levels). These prograns require you to go through testing. So you have to have a strong education about the sport. Hearing about beginners teaching beginners is scary. Very very scary.
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post #12 of 110 Old 11-24-2012, 08:38 PM
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So it arrived here....I lived in Italy for eight years. Big equestrian center, standardbreds and jumpers, ponies for the little kids. Longeline was used to tire the horse. NO beginner was ever on the longe, even 3year old kids would do a max of 5 lessons and jump. If they fell off, it was the bad pony/horse.
Kids and adults could not ride without stirrups after two years of lessons, few of them could properly post, they had no clue about a half halt, proper leg aids, but they sure wore spurs.
I asked several instructors why they wouldn't teach properly. Answer was, the parents want to see quick results, want the kid jumping, and would ask about buying a horse faster, which the instructor by coincidence have in his barn.
It was sickening. A resisting horse was met with harsher bits and a whip, until it complied or threw the rider, then it would go to the dealer and a new one was coming.
One if the instructors said, proper training wasn't necessary, his folks could all ride. I asked him if he was aware that he was teaching the future, and if he had noticed that the Italian Olympic team was pretty sorry, last time I checked.........
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post #13 of 110 Old 11-24-2012, 09:41 PM
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I agree! I have a friend that up until a year ago had never ridden a horse at all, I taught her a few basics and she was hooked. She started taking lessons in a barn that guaranteed her that she would be able to teach beginner riding lessons in 4 months. I don't understand how somebody that has been riding less than a year figures that they can teach beginner riding lessons but she does it! I don't agree with this at all!
That's scary. Who are her clients, though? I can't imagine hiring such an instructor.
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Her clients are unfortunately uneducated people who want cheaper lessons and don't know enough to realize she can hardly ride herself. I am afraid for her students and am just waiting for somebody to get hurt. Maybe that will clue her in to the fact that she doesn't know what she is doing.
The other day she asked me for help because her horse wouldn't stand for her to mount. I asked her what she was going to do if her students had problems with a horse not listening... Her answer.. send them to a trainer that deals with that... I was shocked... I have pretty much refused to be involved with anything to do with her and horses from now on.
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post #15 of 110 Old 11-25-2012, 12:42 AM
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I know I am not SUPER advanced or even professional but I know enough to teach kids and the very basics. I found that it improved my riding to reteach the stuff I learned. Not saying EVERYONE should do that but I also don't set my clients and students up for failure with their horses and make sure they are solid on the ground before ever climbing up there...
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post #16 of 110 Old 11-25-2012, 01:24 AM Thread Starter
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The IOB(instructor of beginners) program Equine Canada has does not require you to be a pro and riding at high levels. Many people have done it that have no desire to ride at an advance level. But it requires you to have a strong education on theory and basics. I love the program. You can keep your amateur status with it as well. My friend has her IOB and she doesnt jump, doesnt show and would never be caught riding anything but the quietest horse in the barn. But she has been taught how to teach skills and safety. When she has taken her students as far as she can she hands them to the more advance coaches. It really is a wonderful program.
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post #17 of 110 Old 11-25-2012, 02:42 AM
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I don't use the lunge line for lessons, but what I do is have kids on the lead rein. We're lucky in that the older students love to help, so will lead the younger kids while they learn the basics, and it means you can have multiple kids in a lesson, which they enjoy, and it isn't quite as demanding on their concentration as a private lunge lesson. They stay on the lead rein until they have learned how to do rising and sitting trot, hold jumping position over trotting poles, and to do basic halt to walk, walk to trot, trot to walk and walk to halt transitions. They even start to learn to steer with a leader walking beside them, ready to help if need be. I do nothing above a three inch cross rail until they are steering on their own, and our nice fit ponies trot over those, they don't actually jump (but the kids like to think that it's jumping!)
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I am new to the forum. Not too savvy re: responding in the right place so if I am messing up this thread, sorry. Someone help me. Bu I want to say that I am a certified instructor and agree. I serve as a guest instructor for other barns and work solo as well. It has been my esxperience that those instructors who make the most money are the same ones who do not seem to care about teaching horsemanship or wholistically. People pay to spend an hour in the saddle and do not pay if your approach involves too much "learning." I believe riding starts out of the saddle. I can't seem to find any students who want to have any part of that. Groundwork, horse anatomy, physiology or psychology or steps to understanding the real relationship that can be developed between human and animal is not easily found in my neck of the woods. I am seriously considering stopping instructing altogether and focusing on my own mares. Life would be happier for me.
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Another thread has inspired me to start this one.

I recently attended a coaching seminar and the hot topic was the fact that coaches and instructors have lowered their standards of teaching and riding is turning more "mass production" vs "quality riding"

When I was coming up through my levels I was taught that you start students on a lunge line with no reins. Some mentors even said they start any student they have never taught on a lunge line with no reins. Once the student could successfully do rising trot with no reins(for more advance students no stirrups) and can do downwards transitions with no reins, they can come off the lunge line.

You then proceed to teach how to properly ride a pattern, how to use half halts, half seat and stride control. You then work towards jumping should the student want to go that direction.

In recent years though this method of teaching is becoming more and more rare. And it is at no fault of the instructor. Its because parents want to see results. If their kid isn't out galloping courses of jumps in a month they feel they are wasting their money. So this has lead to tossing the student on a horse, once they can kind of trot and steer they start jumping. I know many instructors don't like doing this, but they need to in order to keep hay in the barn and food on the table. Which is a shame. And honestly I really don't blame them. So please don't think I am bashing coaches/instructors who go this route.

The strong foundations of basic important skills seem to be a rare sight now.

I still use the way I was taught. I will never change because I feel its important and it comes down to a safety issue. I want to produce quality over quantity. The sad fact is though, that this way of teaching is not a way to bring money in. Because parents get annoyed and take their kid to the mass production barn down the road.

I have recently decided I am going to offer and parent who approaches me about not seeing quick results a free lesson. So they can feel what we are trying to teach.

I would like other peoples thoughts and opinions on this topic.
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A lot depends on the student's goals. Not everyone wants to train to jump 6' oxers.

When my DIL started, she had 6 lessons at a nearby stable. At the end of the first hour in a round pen, she was doing an OK job at sitting the trot. After the first 2 lessons, she began riding our level-headed Appy gelding. She rode him maybe 3-4 times a week for about 6 months before trying cantering. About that time, she started going out on trail rides.

She knows her limitations. She wouldn't consider riding my dominant mare. They now live about 20 miles away, and she makes it over to ride about 1/month, so she wants to only walk or trot on a trail, or canter with supervision in our small arena. She makes no claim of being an experienced rider, and has no desire to push the envelope. She knows her limits and tries to stay in them, both in what horse she rides and what she does while riding. She mostly rides little Cowboy now. He gets nervous in an arena, but is a happy little horse out on the trail with the 'big horses'.

And there is nothing wrong with that. And I know a number of riders who are content like that - their goal in riding is to ride a relaxed, calm horse at a walk or trot around the neighborhood or in the desert. For a lot of people, riding is a fun hobby, not an overriding passion.

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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I don't care if my students don't want to go to the Olympics. I have plenty of students who just enjoy their once or twice a week lessons and hang out at the barn. I have lots of students with no desire to even look at a jump or ride a spunky horse.

But I think its very dangerous and irresponsible to let someone head out and bounce around yanking on the horses mouth, letting the horse run hallowed out(causing back issues in many horses) and thumping on the horses back. I also think if you want to ride you should have solid foundations. This isn't like taking up dance lessons or tennis. You NEED to have the basic skills at a solid level before riding unsupervised or doing anything more then a walk. You are dealing with a thousand pound animal that has a mind of its own. You need to be educated.

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