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        08-03-2011, 03:37 PM
      #11
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    My trainer doesn't seem worried about it. She thinks I can work through it but this is 3 lessons already.
    Ask her if you can ride for free.. ;) I am not surprised she isn't worried about it, she put you on this horse first.. I'm sorry but this screams inconsiderate.

    I have had people tell me "you can do it" while I am screaming inside and pure jelly. Nope I cannot at that time on that horse. I have a mare I have had difficulties with due to my confidence level with her.. I can ride 2 others I have just fine when they act up.. Btw, I am 57 and have been riding off and on since I was 12... You haven't been riding that long, right? Beginners should not be over faced..... Nobody should.. Yes you learn by riding lots of different horses, but not before you are ready for the "job"...
         
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        08-03-2011, 03:39 PM
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
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    Part of your instructor's job is to prepare you for the dangers you may encounter while riding. The best way to do that is with a horse who behaves badly but in a predictable way. Now, if you're falling off twice a lesson, then yes you're over mounted. But you absolutely should ride a horse like this one sooner or later. Learning to to anything well is never fun all of the time.
    Don't you think this is too much too soon?

    Heck If I fell off twice each lesson I'd quit..
         
        08-03-2011, 06:13 PM
      #13
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Appyt    
    Don't you think this is too much too soon?

    Heck If I fell off twice each lesson I'd quit..
    lol, I think I would too. I wish I could get the cowgirl up attitude and be tough. I feel like a loser at the thought of switching barns. I want to ride this horse so bad. I just feel like I can't and it frustrates me to no end. I would think it was 100% my crappy riding but the other 3 were fantastic. And they weren't dead heads. They challenged me but I won. I just can't connect with this horse. It's like she can't stand me or something.

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    I have had people tell me "you can do it" while I am screaming inside and pure jelly.
    exactly! I get visions of Christopher Reeve in my head riding and that is just not good. Before I was leaving all of my lessons feeling great. I was almost cantering on the other horse. Now I can't even get this mare to trot.

    Ponyboy I really do appreciate the advice. I am going to follow this advice for the lesson this Friday. I see what you are saying and you're right. If I only have well behaved horses I won't learn. I know I am learning a lot but I guess I feel like at some point the learning is stopping and fear is taking over. Also, my lessons are in the evening, after summer girl's camp and I'm wondering if this mare is just tired and wants to call it a day.
         
        08-03-2011, 06:30 PM
      #14
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Appyt    
    Don't you think this is too much too soon?

    Heck If I fell off twice each lesson I'd quit..
    You bold "sooner or later" in my post, and then say I'm demanding too much to soon? OK then.
         
        08-03-2011, 06:37 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    I don't know, I'm more with Appyt. If you are a beginner then it's fair to spend a while getting comfortable and confident first. I'm back into riding with 10 years off and decided to get a green horse due to my budget and my confidence has suffered. Horses can totally feel that from you and I'm guessing this horse is feeding off your insecurities.

    If you tough it out then I'd agree that you have to get tougher with this horse. Will they let you use a crop (I don't mean to beat the horse, but as an aid)?

    In the end, it IS supposed to be fun. So if your not into it, I would find a different barn before your love of riding is affected.
         
        08-03-2011, 06:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    You bold "sooner or later" in my post, and then say I'm demanding too much to soon? OK then.
    That is my opinion from what the OP has posted from my experiences. We all have our own opinions.. Evidently I felt the later to be better than the sooner. :) I didn't say you were demanding anything did I? Hmmm. Wasn't my intent.
         
        08-03-2011, 07:53 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    I'll weigh in as a novice adult learner... The lesson horse I've been on all summer has been c.h.a.l.l.e.n.g.i.n.g. Similar kind of stuff. Cuts corners. I learn to make him stop cutting corners, so he swings to the other side and starts trying to corner 4 millimeters from the rail. My knee is more than 4 millimeters wide, so this is Not OK with me. I learn to keep him off the rail. Wants to stop at the gate. Wants to run through his trot when he's facing the barn, then wants to slow to a crawl as soon as he's pointed away from the barn. Then he combines these. Races toward barn and cuts corner, then suckers on to the rail while slowing to a crawl. Drives me up the bloody wall...

    ...BUT I'm learning incredibly valuable skills the whole time. I'm learning how to handle these various situations - sometimes with more success than others - I never did manage to get a handle on the situation when he'd combine all of his tricks in one circuit around the arena. But I learned what I *should* do, and just as important, I learned what *doesn't* work. My teacher can tell me this stuff until she's blue in the face, but it's going to be impossible until I "get it" and once I've gotten it, it's there for good.

    I'm also learning about myself - learning how to keep my patience, learning how to sort out - when problems arise - which part of the problem I created, and which part of the problem is being created by the horse. With this horse, 90% of it was him, and 10% of it was me (that was the teacher's assessment).

    Way I see it, that's what horsemanship, or horsewomanship, is about. You build skills, but when push comes to shove, you're going to have to deal with what the horse hands out. A good horse-person is going to be able to take their 10% and get the horse to do what they want...anyway.

    I could be riding an "easier" horse, but then I would know how to ride just that one horse, and I'd fall apart as soon as I rode a less easy horse. This way, it may not be "fun" all the way, but it's for sure "learning" all the way, and I'll be able to ride a much wider range of horses because of it.

    I guess what I'm saying is, yes, fun is a part of this, but if you only wanted fun, you could just get trail rides instead of taking lessons. More important part, IMO, is the learning. And it might be helpful to your confidence if you focus on what you *are* learning, and what you *have* learned.
         
        08-03-2011, 08:00 PM
      #18
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    Part of your instructor's job is to prepare you for the dangers you may encounter while riding. The best way to do that is with a horse who behaves badly but in a predictable way.
    Trainer should NOT put a beginner on badly behaving horse. First of all it may break any confidence the rider already has, and for some people it takes forever to build a confidence back (in some cases it never returns). Second it's simply dangerous because the inexperienced rider may panic and cause even worse situation.

    My own horses are quite tough mounts. Not everyone can ride them (and they are VERY far from beginner horses if ever will be). However when I ride a lesson horse I want to have that feeling of safety so I could concentrate on learning my aids and position, not to look if I'll seat through "misbehave" or have to constantly keep leg on to make the horse move.
         
        08-03-2011, 08:15 PM
      #19
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    I'm going to be my usual contrarian self and go with your trainer on this one. Yes you're riding for pleasure, but even a good horse can be difficult to ride in certain situations. I remember once I was cantering a horse when she suddenly pulled up because of a stone bruise. If I had never ridden horses that stop suddenly before that, I would have fallen off. What if, when you finally get to buy a horse, the seller misrepresents the horse and you suddenly find yourself riding a nutcase? What if one day the horse you're riding gets stung by a bee and freaks out?

    Part of your instructor's job is to prepare you for the dangers you may encounter while riding. The best way to do that is with a horse who behaves badly but in a predictable way. Now, if you're falling off twice a lesson, then yes you're over mounted. But you absolutely should ride a horse like this one sooner or later. Learning to to anything well is never fun all of the time.

    So are you posting just to be contrary, or because you actually believe this?

    There is time later on to learn about dealing with issues, sounds to me like the op has not yet got fully secure at walk trot and canter. Once she has got a secure seat, then she can start riding horses that will teach her about the other situations. Beginners have beginners horses, especially for *cough* us more mature people, we don't want to be fighting and falling off.

    While I think you are right in your assertion that we have to learn to deal with the unexpected, you have to get to a certain level before that becomes a reality.
         
        08-03-2011, 09:53 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Okay maybe you should ask to be put on an intermediate horse if this is a beginner horse. A TB?? Hmm questionable to me.... but anyway Ask Tell Demand. That is how you ride a horse. You can ask them gentle ex: squeeze and cluck or use vocal commands. Tell: Kick each one gets more firm then the last kick. Demand:Get a crop- then do rhythm kick tap . Not hit just a nice easy tap then light little smack every now and then. The demand is usually a very last resort and never usually gets to that level

    Ask to be worked on a lunge line for a few lessons just so you can concentrate on getting the beasty moving forward instead of doing a million and 1 things at the same time.
         

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