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#1 ·
ok so i have a few questions and i'd be very glad if people will anwser them :)

so first question: the lesson horse i ride hold her head up high while troting (somtimes walking) so my instructor (i'm not questioning her its her horse) tells me to hold the outside rein steady and give and take with the inside what dose that do i don't get it! i just do it xD

i was also wondering what people think about leaving a horse alone for awhile only sometimes riding it you see i used to ride this one horse and since i left only one person has ridden him and only sometimes i'm gonna start riding him again but i wanna know should i be prepared for a more highstrung horse after not being riden? (i'm still gonna ride him though no matter what)

also i heard that the metal curry comb will hurt the horse now i use this all the time because it gets all the hair off my furry horse xD is it hurting her she dosen't seem to care but then again she's really layed back and forgiving

and this one may seem odd... but what exactly is putting a horse down i know its letting it die so it won't be in anymore pain but i've heard its alot of shots so what exactly are they doing? i might have to put my horse down so i would like to know

sorry about how long it is i'd be very hapy if you'd anwser the second question is important though cause i'm riding him tomorrow!!! thanks for reading n.n
 
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#2 ·
1. you could try putting a martingale on her or maybe she needs her teeth checked.
2. Lunge him!!! before you get on it will wuiten him down.
3.yes it will sometimes hurt her but if you go gently it wont.
4.it is kinder to do this. but its a hard descisdion t0 make
 
#3 ·
1. You instructor is trying to teach you how to get the horse in "frame" or in other words the horse is more on the bit and possibly working from behind.
2. I don't really understand your question. If the horse has been ridden I'm sure it will be fine. Even if it hasn't been ridden I am sure you will be fine. Some horses can go for a long time without being ridden and are fine when you begin riding them again as long as they are turned outside.
3. Metal curry combs can hurt a horse. But, as long as you are gentle it should be fine. Also, don't use it on a horses head, legs, or any other bony parts.
4. When a horse is being put to sleep or euthanized it is a series of needles. First they tranquilize the horse until they lay down (they can no longer feel any pain and are drowsy). Next, they take another needle and insert it into the horses neck and the horses heart will stop beating.
 
#4 ·
ohhhh ok a frame... hmmm that makes sence

he gets riden sometimes not often xD its just once before he wasn't ridenand he changed a little on the excited side then when i stoped riding him this one person rides him but idk how much

ok good i'm glad its not like i put all the pressure posible on the curry n.n

hmhm ok im glad it won't hurt her... u.u i'll miss her we are still not sure my mom is trying so many different things

thanks for your helps guys!!!
 
#7 ·
ok well it all started i had no idea about horses than but now i know. i can canter and gallop and trot and everything. iv been bucked of horses and shetlands lol.. i have a 14 year old horse who i have been riding but he is stubborn all the time he is hard to catch hard to saddle and hard to make him move if your going away from home.. maybe someone has been through this lol..
 
#8 ·
hmmmm.... well all i can say is make him move get a whip or spurs

hard to catch well you can chase him around all day or keep a halter on him (the horse i catch only walks away slowly or puts her ears back in fake meanness) so i don't know much about catching just heard that from some other people

and hard to saddle is there anything wrong with his back the last time a horse had saddling problems had a back problems... ya didn't end well i'll never make that mistake again!

hope i helped!
 
#10 ·
dedebird,
I have an interesting way for you to catch your horse. Is she on a smallish pasture or way out in the middle of many acres? If the pasture is like a half acre or less this will work.

She doesn't want to be WITH you so you make her go away from you until she decided that being with you is a lot easier than having you chase her around. Go to her pasture and approach her. If she won't let you catch her, then drive her off! swing your rope and drive her off. Dont chase her, just let her settle a tiny minute. like 10 seconds, then come at her and drive her off . Try not to let her get comfortable grazing . you may have to run your *** off. IF you approache her to drive her off again and she turns toward you with an attitude like "I have changed my mind, you look interesting to me" maybe she prickes her ears or lowers her head and amble toward her, then STOP driving! Stand there a second, don't face her directly but turn your body slightly at an angle and inviter her in with your hand out like you had a treat and a sweet voice. If she stands calmly or walks toward you then just stay calm and restful and just walk right up and put your arm over her neck, calm as can be.
If you start to put your arm over her, and she turns away to blow you off, let her move just a bit off from you (8 feet?) and then DRIVE her away, again, vigorously. You want her to learn that when she blows you off like that, life will not be comfortable When she is with you, it's the most comfortable place. So when you do catch her, pet her and just stand there a few minutes. Give her a treat, perhaps. If you are really brave you will put the halter on, hang out, be nice and then let her go. Rest 15 minutes then go see if you can't catch easier this time. This works best in an are small enough for you to drive her and fro her not be able to run far away from you.
However, if the area is big, put a pile of delicious hay in the middle, something she would like to have and then if she won't let you catch her, then drive her off that hay over and over . It will draw her back in to your range. Do what I described . Be prepared to be tired. But hopefully, she will know that she cannot blow you off like that. It's very disrespectful.
 
#11 ·
dedebird,
What your instructor is asking is that you keep the outside rein steady and supportive but still following the horse's mouth, and with the inside you are "asking" the horse to give to the bit. She might ask you to kind of "tickle" the horse's mouth with the inside rein, no? It shouldn'et be like a "see-sawing" motiion, but you want to get the horse's attention and suggest that he/she stop bracing against the reins and put a litltle softness into his poll, bending a bit. The minute that horse gives to the inside rein, even the tiniest bit, you stop asking with the inside rein and do NOTHING for a sec. This says, "yes, that's what I wanted you to do". Of course, the horse will raise his head up again, you do a soft vibration of the inside rein and pay attention for his GIVE so that you can reward it pronto. Do it over and over and soon it will take less and less to get the bend. The reason you don't use both reins is that it can give the horse something to fight /brace against. Most horses feel trapped if the reins are on them at equal pressure. You should talk to your horse with one rein more than the other, always.

As for whether that horse will be hot when it hasn't been ridden much lately, is it in all day turn out? That will make a huge diffeence. Is it being fed grain? Try leading it around a bit. You can get a really good feel of a horse by how he leades. The horse at the end of your leadline is the horse that will be at the end of your reinline, no difference.
If there was a round pen, I would work with him there as you can also get a really good feel for his attitude.
I am not a young person, so I need to be more careful, as I
 
#12 ·
wow.. that is really good tactic.. bruno is in a big paddock but i can put him in a smaller one while i do this.. but thank you so much for that info... now what about the saddling?? i cant get that on him easy.. he kicks spins goes around in circles tries to bite have you got any thing usfule??
 
#13 ·
Hello Talia,

G'day! *that's the only "Australian" I can speak.
Anyway, you are a brave young lady to be riding such challenging horses. Personally, If I could not saddle a horse I would never put my precious body on top of it. My body is worth far more than a saddle, at least to me.
Tell me why he won't let you saddle him? Is he in cross ties ? single tie? I really firmly believe that if you have trouble this far up the line, you must go back down the line to handling him on a lead, and/or working in a round pen to get his attention and respect.
The other equally important thing is; Does the saddle fit? If that saddle has been causing him pain for a long time he will not want it anywhere near his back. He is speaking to you in the only way he can.
With somebodies help, put the saddle on UNGIRTHED and see how it fits his bare back. look for pinching in the shoulders or maybe it is so wide that when you are in it it actually pushes down on his whither bones. Do you see any spots of white hair that look unnatural? These are signs of long term pressure.
Even if you use a new saddle (new to him) he may have long ingrained memories of many years with a painful saddle and thus not trust them now. You could try saddling him loosely and just walking him around for a bit, then unsaddle and let him go. You may need to be willing to take some time without actually riding him. It's like putting money in the bank because it's an investment that will pay off later. Spending time with your horse where you don't actually ride him is also a way to build a relationship.

Sooooo you must determine if his bad behavior is based on pain or just a bad attitude. If it's the latter, you may have to put in that small paddock and "push" him around a little (make him move where and when YOU decide) til he comes to recognize that you are the leader. Take a lunge whip so you can move him around wihtout getting into kicking range.
There's this blog out of Australia called something like "
Horseproblems.com.au . I can't remember the exact address. He is really cool. Or Clinton Anderson (also Australian), has movies on Youtube showing round penning techniques. Have a looksee.
Caroline (thus liny, who is NOT tiny)
 
#15 ·
lol gday mate gonna put another shrimp on the barbie.. lol have you ever heard of that in a movie?? anyway i have 2 horses... well 3 but the 3rd isnt a problem.. but bruno who is a 14 year old which is the one who is difficult to catch and saddle spirit on the other hand is the green horse whoi can catch whith ease saddle with ease but rideing is scary she is a good horse, she is soft, i ride her bitless... as i do natural horsemanship.
 
#16 ·
I don't really know what to say 'bout that. Sounds scary to me. My horses are pretty good boys (though I got dumped yesterday when he decided to spook all of a sudden (me too relaxed)).
Anyway, I would have to say that a horse that kicks, spins and bites when he is being saddled has something really negative going on in his brain. remember, they are living beings and their physical behaviour is hugely influenced by their mental state. Something feels really, really bad in his mind. What do you think is going on there? I don't mean
not to seem like a shrink (psychiatrist) but there's a reason why he is so mean.
With regards to the other horse, the green one, you said that you are also a green rider. You know the old saying, "Green on green makes black and blue" You be careful! I don't like riding when I feel scared of my horse. Of course, all persons who ride are scared from time to time. It's what makes riding so exciting but to be really scared of your horse. Ouch! Got anyone to help you there?
If you could ride a quieter horse to develop your own skills before taking on a green horse you would have a lot more confidence and it'd feel better. That isn't helpful, I know. All I can say at this great distance is to think about WHY that fellow doesn't want to be saddled.
Aint much help, I know . Watch him and ponder him a bit. Push him a bit in the paddock to see what he does under pressure. Does he push back? Can you push him hard enough that he has a change in attitude?
Is he dominant in the herd?
Lots to think about.
Liny
 
#18 ·
There's a difference between putting his ears back while you brush him and him attempting to bite or threaten you with real intent. If he puts his ears back it's just him expressing his opinion., I might just ignore that, but if he then turned and bit at me, even sympbolically, I would make him work just as you said. If he is a thin skinned breed like a thoroughbred, he might not like being groomed. Use a softer brush and NO metal curry comb. Most people overgroom their horses. Having some dust in their coats helps repell mites and such. Only the part under the saddle needs to be really clean. And check the ankles for bots (bot flies). If he doesn't like grooming, minimizze it.
 
#19 ·
ok sorry i haven't anwsered anything here for awhile xD uhm so thanks for telling me what im doing with the reins and yes she says tickle and or play xD she says if she dosen't listen to get harder which once i had to o_O it wasn't fun xD

and i rode the horse he was fine well sorta he has feet problems and he need a farrier T^T i might pay for it even though hes not mine ( im working on that i want him to be mine LOL) im gonna ask if i can ride him today >3<
 
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