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        08-31-2010, 12:44 AM
      #11
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    Dedebird,
    What your instructor is asking is that you keep the outside rein steady and supportive but still following the horse's mouth, and with the inside you are "asking" the horse to give to the bit. She might ask you to kind of "tickle" the horse's mouth with the inside rein, no? It shouldn'et be like a "see-sawing" motiion, but you want to get the horse's attention and suggest that he/she stop bracing against the reins and put a litltle softness into his poll, bending a bit. The minute that horse gives to the inside rein, even the tiniest bit, you stop asking with the inside rein and do NOTHING for a sec. This says, "yes, that's what I wanted you to do". Of course, the horse will raise his head up again, you do a soft vibration of the inside rein and pay attention for his GIVE so that you can reward it pronto. Do it over and over and soon it will take less and less to get the bend. The reason you don't use both reins is that it can give the horse something to fight /brace against. Most horses feel trapped if the reins are on them at equal pressure. You should talk to your horse with one rein more than the other, always.

    As for whether that horse will be hot when it hasn't been ridden much lately, is it in all day turn out? That will make a huge diffeence. Is it being fed grain? Try leading it around a bit. You can get a really good feel of a horse by how he leades. The horse at the end of your leadline is the horse that will be at the end of your reinline, no difference.
    If there was a round pen, I would work with him there as you can also get a really good feel for his attitude.
    I am not a young person, so I need to be more careful, as I
         
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        08-31-2010, 03:51 AM
      #12
    Foal
    Wow.. that is really good tactic.. bruno is in a big paddock but I can put him in a smaller one while I do this.. but thank you so much for that info... now what about the saddling?? I can't get that on him easy.. he kicks spins goes around in circles tries to bite have you got any thing usfule??
         
        08-31-2010, 02:06 PM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    Hello Talia,

    G'day! *that's the only "Australian" I can speak.
    Anyway, you are a brave young lady to be riding such challenging horses. Personally, If I could not saddle a horse I would never put my precious body on top of it. My body is worth far more than a saddle, at least to me.
    Tell me why he won't let you saddle him? Is he in cross ties ? Single tie? I really firmly believe that if you have trouble this far up the line, you must go back down the line to handling him on a lead, and/or working in a round pen to get his attention and respect.
    The other equally important thing is; Does the saddle fit? If that saddle has been causing him pain for a long time he will not want it anywhere near his back. He is speaking to you in the only way he can.
    With somebodies help, put the saddle on UNGIRTHED and see how it fits his bare back. Look for pinching in the shoulders or maybe it is so wide that when you are in it it actually pushes down on his whither bones. Do you see any spots of white hair that look unnatural? These are signs of long term pressure.
    Even if you use a new saddle (new to him) he may have long ingrained memories of many years with a painful saddle and thus not trust them now. You could try saddling him loosely and just walking him around for a bit, then unsaddle and let him go. You may need to be willing to take some time without actually riding him. It's like putting money in the bank because it's an investment that will pay off later. Spending time with your horse where you don't actually ride him is also a way to build a relationship.

    Sooooo you must determine if his bad behavior is based on pain or just a bad attitude. If it's the latter, you may have to put in that small paddock and "push" him around a little (make him move where and when YOU decide) til he comes to recognize that you are the leader. Take a lunge whip so you can move him around wihtout getting into kicking range.
    There's this blog out of Australia called something like "
    Horseproblems.com.au . I can't remember the exact address. He is really cool. Or Clinton Anderson (also Australian), has movies on Youtube showing round penning techniques. Have a looksee.
    Caroline (thus liny, who is NOT tiny)
         
        08-31-2010, 11:06 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Wow.. that info is actually really good.. thanks for thanks for that.. now what about the saddling part for him?? He kicks, spins, tries to bite, and its so har just to saddle him.. have you ot anything for that?? Like no how??
         
        08-31-2010, 11:16 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Lol gday mate going to put another shrimp on the barbie.. lol have you ever heard of that in a movie?? Anyway I have 2 horses... well 3 but the 3rd isnt a problem.. but bruno who is a 14 year old which is the one who is difficult to catch and saddle spirit on the other hand is the green horse whoi can catch whith ease saddle with ease but rideing is scary she is a good horse, she is soft, I ride her bitless... as I do natural horsemanship.
         
        09-01-2010, 12:59 AM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    I don't really know what to say 'bout that. Sounds scary to me. My horses are pretty good boys (though I got dumped yesterday when he decided to spook all of a sudden (me too relaxed)).
    Anyway, I would have to say that a horse that kicks, spins and bites when he is being saddled has something really negative going on in his brain. Remember, they are living beings and their physical behaviour is hugely influenced by their mental state. Something feels really, really bad in his mind. What do you think is going on there? I don't mean
    Not to seem like a shrink (psychiatrist) but there's a reason why he is so mean.
    With regards to the other horse, the green one, you said that you are also a green rider. You know the old saying, "Green on green makes black and blue" You be careful! I don't like riding when I feel scared of my horse. Of course, all persons who ride are scared from time to time. It's what makes riding so exciting but to be really scared of your horse. Ouch! Got anyone to help you there?
    If you could ride a quieter horse to develop your own skills before taking on a green horse you would have a lot more confidence and it'd feel better. That isn't helpful, I know. All I can say at this great distance is to think about WHY that fellow doesn't want to be saddled.
    Aint much help, I know . Watch him and ponder him a bit. Push him a bit in the paddock to see what he does under pressure. Does he push back? Can you push him hard enough that he has a change in attitude?
    Is he dominant in the herd?
    Lots to think about.
    Liny
         
        09-01-2010, 03:41 AM
      #17
    Foal
    He isnt the dominant one out of the 3 of them he is the one who gets bullied (ha) I don't know... I was told when he puts his ears back work him a bit and try again.. evn when brushing hinm is annoying he puts his ears back ):(
         
        09-01-2010, 02:22 PM
      #18
    Super Moderator
    There's a difference between putting his ears back while you brush him and him attempting to bite or threaten you with real intent. If he puts his ears back it's just him expressing his opinion., I might just ignore that, but if he then turned and bit at me, even sympbolically, I would make him work just as you said. If he is a thin skinned breed like a thoroughbred, he might not like being groomed. Use a softer brush and NO metal curry comb. Most people overgroom their horses. Having some dust in their coats helps repell mites and such. Only the part under the saddle needs to be really clean. And check the ankles for bots (bot flies). If he doesn't like grooming, minimizze it.
         
        09-01-2010, 03:26 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Ok sorry I haven't anwsered anything here for awhile xD uhm so thanks for telling me what im doing with the reins and yes she says tickle and or play xD she says if she dosen't listen to get harder which once I had to o_O it wasn't fun xD

    And I rode the horse he was fine well sorta he has feet problems and he need a farrier T^T I might pay for it even though he's not mine ( im working on that I want him to be mine LOL) im going to ask if I can ride him today >3<
         

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