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    04-29-2013, 05:29 PM
  #11
Weanling
The thought of tying yourself to the saddle really scares me. I've seen it done in barrel racing with really young riders and I'll admit I don't like it at all. I personally believe a person should not be riding a horse at a speed they cannot "sit" properly.

Now I know that accidents happen. I took my first spill off a horse at the ripe old age of 37...I was riding a lesson horse out on a trail ride. I don't know what happened I just know I was launched over Cinnamon's head in a very sudden manner. Thank goodness I was wearing a helmet and landed on my feet. (Don't ask how!).

Trust me, I learned that I needed to improve my seat and balance. I usually refuse to go much above a trot. ;)
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    04-29-2013, 06:54 PM
  #12
Green Broke
How about getting a pair of chinks, chaps or half chaps? I find the leather-on-leather gives me a better grip that my jeans alone. I am going to start riding my 3 yr old out on trails more this summer and even though they are warmer, I am going to wear my chinks. I think they really improve my grip. They also help protect your legs from trees and brush. So that would be my suggestion.
     
    04-29-2013, 10:26 PM
  #13
Weanling
What would happen if you became so dependent on this velcro strap, wouldnt you stop useing the muscles you need to because you know ur in the saftey of the velcro strap?
     
    05-04-2013, 01:45 AM
  #14
Weanling
Like everyone else said, don't do it. It sounds dangerous.

I'm 41 and I know how it is to be so fearful of falling. I'm just getting ready to buy my first saddle and I'm looking at the Wintec 2000 which is an all purpose saddle with a suede like material. Let me tell you, this saddle with a pair of full seat breeches and you feel nice and snug. I can absolutely still fall, but having that extra grip makes a world of difference.

Now if you ride western, I'm afraid I can't help. I would think that there are western saddles that give more grip though. Something with rough out type leather in the seat.

Oh and BSMS makes a great suggestion with stock saddle! I've never tried one but I do plan on getting one someday because I've heard such great things about them keeping you much more secure. You want a secure seat, not a stuck seat.
     
    05-13-2013, 01:21 AM
  #15
Yearling
See I was going to make a post about using the magic seat. Everyone says that the actual velcro on your pants is very thin (not wide) and it wont even hold a kid on if they get really unbalanced. It isnt to HOLD you in the seat, it's to keep you in the center and keep from bouncing or sliding. I was going to get one for my son and his mini, just bc his feet don't reach the stirrups well.

HOWEVER! I started considering it for myself. First, I have pelvic misalignment and tilt. Which means (with myself), that my right side of my pelvis (bc your pelvis is actually two pieces) is lifted up (about an 1 1/2") above the other side AND tilted forward 1 1/2"). I was born with this, and as my doctors never figured it out and treated, resulting not only in an unbalanced pelvis, but one leg being shorter and scoliosis and although it doesnt effect anything my ribs stick out in on one side. I'll even show you a picture of that maybe....

So what I have now is a seat that is very difficult for me to maintain (I believe), and a constant problem with the right stirrup slipping off my foot (which usually leads me to falling off if the horse shifts quickly when this happens, and not quiet getting the right looking seat. My butt looks likes it's popped out (even more so bc I have a big butt lol). I have rode daily in the summers and I feel I should be farther along, but even my horse friends are starting to wonder about the effects my pelvis is having on my riding. They not my spine is slightly curves (it's just how it is) and it look like I'm leaning. Which I'm not. I even had a friend take a picture from behind while I trotted and drew a line up my horses spine, and up my back. You can see my spine curve, but my neck and pelvis look in balance.

So my riding abilities include walk, trot, canter, spins, I do barrels, poles, cones, and everything else at the fun shows. I ride bareback fine, and have even stayed in the seat bareback when my mare spooked and did that 180 spin away from an outdoor AC unit. I lost a stirrup around a third barrel, and didnt have it on the canter back. I may have fell if she spun.

I used to fall off alot more, when they were green, but they arent anymore. I don't fall off anymore, but when I loose my stirrup I get scared. I usually get it back, but I'm usually panicking until I do. We have tried fixing so one stirrup is higher than the other, but it makes me feel off balanced. I'm wondering if I even just put on strap of velcro on my leg. I have been told to put rubber bands on my feet, but it scares me too, lol...

I didnt mean to hijack this thread. But I was wondering the same thing. I wear a helmet, bc I have had multiple concussions. My horses are farther along in their training now and do very well. I'm wondering if the seat will help me, or if it will make me to reliant on it. And will it break loose if I really go fall off? I WANT it too! I have heard Martha Josey uses them. I have seen others use them. Never seen anyone fall off... I don't know, lol.... I AGREE that you should NOT use it to keep yourself of a horse that is green or may buck or rear (ESPECIALY REARING!!!!), but it may not be a bad option for a problem with seats. I would want my son to eventually not need it.

Your horse may be rough, but he may always be rough, lol... I think you should try to sit the trot or even post it if it's really bad.
     
    05-13-2013, 01:44 AM
  #16
Yearling
Ok, I think I am skipping it for my son. He has great balance already, and I want him to improve and I'm scared this will hold him back. I DID read a horror story about a lady's horse falling at a barrel, and she DID NOT come loose! ANd she tore up her knee pretty bad! Others say they come off pretty easy. I may try it.... BUT I think I may replace the velcro with something cheaper, so it wont have as much grip and it will break away. I DID read that it holds little ones on WAY WAY WAY TO SECURE! And I mean, they do not come out of the saddle, EVEN when an adult tries to pull them off! But I may try it, and experiment on my dead broke mare.... Anyone be interested in a video to see how easy/hard it is to come loose?
     
    05-13-2013, 02:14 PM
  #17
Started
NO WAY, JOSE, would I attach myself to my horse.

Riding a green 3 year old would be more of a challenge than I'd want. (I'll stick to my green, mellow 15 year old.) Do you have a lot of riding experience? 90 days with a trainer is a good start but that work needs to be continued with consistancy.
Our confidence, or lack of, is transferred directly to that horse. Would the trainer be willing to work with both you and the horse together as a team? That might make you feel more confident with him. If you are tense and nervous, most likely he will be all tense and nervous, and he's just a youngster without years of experience dealing with a rider.
Sorry, you didn't ask about training. I got off track.
     
    05-13-2013, 10:12 PM
  #18
Yearling
If it helps you decide. I think I have decided NOT to buy one, even to try it out. A lot of people are saying it will make you dependent on it to stay in your seat and make you a WORSE rider in the long run... Which I DO NOT want. Good luck with your decision!
     
    05-14-2013, 05:20 AM
  #19
Foal
Hi,
I'm 45 years old and been riding almost two years. I was posting on another thread about my lesson horse that I failed to control at the canter and then fell off. The fall was sore, but not as sore as I thought it would be. I came to the conclusion that the only "magic seat" that exists is your own balance. I think as an older rider we do not trust our bodies so much to keep us in balance, and we tend to get stiff and try to balance by what I call the bicycle position: stiff upper body and arms held out to the side in front. For me, I figured out that's because I forgot how to use my core muscles. I'm doing exercises for that, and it is much better, but I still need to learn to trust my balance - so now I am taking vaulting lessons where they put you on a trained horse without saddle and stirrups, and you have to gymnastic type exercises by manoevring yourself on the horse while it walks, and later trots. In one session I could actually balance myself on a trot! Without saddle and stirrups. So now I'm focusing on practicing it so it becomes part of my muscle memory to relax and balance, instead of gripping and trying to balance with my upper body.
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    05-14-2013, 09:39 PM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Galileo    
In one session I could actually balance myself on a trot! Without saddle and stirrups. So now I'm focusing on practicing it so it becomes part of my muscle memory to relax and balance, instead of gripping and trying to balance with my upper body.
That's awesome!

I can sit flush in a trot! I havent tried a canter yet! I do have an awesome OLD OLD mare that stops if she feel the rider become off balanced (she is about 27yrs old and we rescued her as skin and bones! But she's packing weight on1!!) It's awesome to have her around though, bc I don't dare try it on my 5yr old arab cross mare. She may be ok with it, but I don't want to chance it! And I have stayed on in one of those arab spooked where they do a 180 spin sideways! I was bareback and for some reason that day she thought the AC unit was going to eat her! My arms bounce alot when I'm in the saddle in a trot though.... I can't seem to get the hang of the flow when in my saddle. It's almost natural when I'm bareback....
     

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