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  • English riding stirrup trends
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    07-29-2012, 10:20 PM
  #11
Foal
All in all, I believe a good enough rider should be able to stay on a horse without depending on the stirrups. The stirrups are there to help you balance, but as you become a stronger rider you'll find that they are there only because they are on the saddle and you stuck your feet in them.
It shouldn't matter if your stirrup is on the ball of your foot or mid-foot if you're just riding to ride for pleasure. But if you're riding to show and being judged on your equitation I believe it's important to have the "correct" riding position.
I'm not sure where your goals lie SwaySwayEmily, but I am giving you advice coming from a background in equitation and pleasure in hunt/jumper, dressage, WP, reining and saddleseat.
     
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    07-30-2012, 12:27 AM
  #12
Yearling
I have the same trouble, Emily, and I have been working intensively away at it for the past 2-3 years.

Here's a very challenging and difficult, but helpful exercise if you can manage to execute it. Put your foot in the stirrup backwards. Normally you would poke your toe in from the back of the stirrup, yes? So instead poke the edge of your heel (Not your entire heel, just the edge of it) into the front of the stirrup. I guarantee you the only way you will keep that position is if you're foot is in the proper position. If your foot slides forward, your toes point down, you tighten up your leg, etc. you will lose the stirrup.

Secondly, have anyone watching you ride, be it friend, trainer, parent, stranger, periodically shout "fix your feet in the stirrups!" as you ride past them. I'm a little bit joking, but it has helped me!


Bsms, I get what you're saying, but if your purpose behind posting random internet photos of riders with their feet in the "home" position was to show that some people ride that way, here are a few more that I found to add to the collection.

Now how do we know that they purposely wanted their feet on the "home" position during that exact millisecond of time that the photograph was taken?
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    07-30-2012, 01:14 AM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by IslandWave    
...bsms, I get what you're saying, but if your purpose behind posting random internet photos of riders with their feet in the "home" position was to show that some people ride that way, here are a few more that I found to add to the collection.

Now how do we know that they purposely wanted their feet on the "home" position during that exact millisecond of time that the photograph was taken?
Good point. Those Australians waiting around ALL just accidentally put their feet home - at the same time!



And cutters do it accidentally too, I suppose.

And the cowboys of old ALL did it by accident, eh?



Gen Patton, accidentally letting his feet slide forward:



Actually, if you would READ the link I provided, you'll find a number of people do it deliberately. But then, reading a link before commenting seems to be too much to ask of folks.

From the perspective of the OP's problem: The folks who tend to deliberately ride with their feet "home" do so because their activities make them value keeping their feet in the stirrups more than having the hinge of the ankle working for them. And as I pointed out, when I'm on a horse that I don't fully trust, "I unconsciously put my feet much further into the stirrups".

Thus, if the OP tends to have concerns about keeping her stirrups, then she may be subconsciously pacing her feet further into the stirrups.

This comment:

"as soon as I kick the horse on, change transitions, post in the trot, my whole foot slips through the stirrup"

Might suggest the stirrups are too long for how far her legs stretch on that particular horse. Or it might be, as I pointed out in my first post, the boots she has make the stirrups slip and, again, she subconsciously homes her feet to keep the stirrups.

If the OP is riding for competitions, then it is a problem that needs solving. If the OP rides for fun & function, then she can decide if it is really something she needs to worry about.
     
    07-30-2012, 01:55 AM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Good point. Those Australians waiting around ALL just accidentally put their feet home - at the same time!

And cutters do it accidentally too, I suppose.

And the cowboys of old ALL did it by accident, eh?

Gen Patton, accidentally letting his feet slide forward:

Actually, if you would READ the link I provided, you'll find a number of people do it deliberately. But then, reading a link before commenting seems to be too much to ask of folks.

From the perspective of the OP's problem: The folks who tend to deliberately ride with their feet "home" do so because their activities make them value keeping their feet in the stirrups more than having the hinge of the ankle working for them. And as I pointed out, when I'm on a horse that I don't fully trust, "I unconsciously put my feet much further into the stirrups".

Thus, if the OP tends to have concerns about keeping her stirrups, then she may be subconsciously pacing her feet further into the stirrups.

This comment:

"as soon as I kick the horse on, change transitions, post in the trot, my whole foot slips through the stirrup"

Might suggest the stirrups are too long for how far her legs stretch on that particular horse. Or it might be, as I pointed out in my first post, the boots she has make the stirrups slip and, again, she subconsciously homes her feet to keep the stirrups.

If the OP is riding for competitions, then it is a problem that needs solving. If the OP rides for fun & function, then she can decide if it is really something she needs to worry about.
I'm sorry. I did not mean for you to take it that I was suggesting that it was all accidentally foot-in-stirrup placement. I was trying state my personal opinion of "who am I to say whether or not these riders in these photos that I found on Google in that exact moment in time on purpose or on accident have their foot placed further in or out of the stirrup" The internet can be a vague source and the only way I can state a fact of a photo of a horse and rider is if I am the rider or if I was a witness when the photo was taken.

I have no doubt that hundreds of thousands of riders deliberately ride in the home position. My original post was not meant to debate that at all. I was just assuming (perhaps wrongly) that the OP is an english rider who wishes to pursue proper rider position (within this current day and age of the trend of ball of foot on stirrup position) that can take her successfully from the schooling arena to the show ring.

Now your above post made a lot more sense in that you referenced a certain group/area/well-known rider. However, I don't know if you can accurately use such a blanket statement that "ALL cowboys of old" used the home position. It sounds similar to saying that "ALL dressage riders" use rolkur, or "ALL WP riders" use a four-beat lope. I'm sure some cowboys of old had personal preferences as to where they were the most comfortable and secure as do all riders in all disciplines. Cowboying (I'm sorry if I butchered that term) was a way of life and I would think that one would do whatever worked for you in whatever situations you were in.

Again, I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you and your opinion that the home position is not unsafe, I just wanted some clarity within your explanations. (I ride in the home position myself when in western tack.) I apologize if I came off the wrong way to you. I know things can be misinterpreted when the only thing you have to go on is text.
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    07-30-2012, 06:20 AM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by IslandWave    
I have the same trouble, Emily, and I have been working intensively away at it for the past 2-3 years.

Here's a very challenging and difficult, but helpful exercise if you can manage to execute it. Put your foot in the stirrup backwards. Normally you would poke your toe in from the back of the stirrup, yes? So instead poke the edge of your heel (Not your entire heel, just the edge of it) into the front of the stirrup. I guarantee you the only way you will keep that position is if you're foot is in the proper position. If your foot slides forward, your toes point down, you tighten up your leg, etc. you will lose the stirrup.

Secondly, have anyone watching you ride, be it friend, trainer, parent, stranger, periodically shout "fix your feet in the stirrups!" as you ride past them. I'm a little bit joking, but it has helped me!
I had forgotten about this one! I've had to ride like that before, it is super challenging. My advice is to ditch your spurs if you wear them before doing this lol.
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    07-30-2012, 07:25 PM
  #16
Weanling
I'm going to step out of the whole "foot and stirrup position" deal, I prefer to put my stirrup on the ball of my foot but that is because I lie to myself and say that my heels can go down farther. Anyway...
Exercises;
Ride without stirrups, this will build up your muscle so you won't post out of the stirrups (posting out of your stirrups make your feet and legs move)
Get into two point and then jut your feet of infront and press down. This will stretch out your legs and loosens your leg muscles so it's easier to have heels down.
Stand two strides away from a wall. Now press into the wall so your muscles stretch.
Overall, Amy kind of exercise that makes your back and legs burn... You need to do. A long with leg building and balance exercises.
     

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