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post #21 of 43 Old 01-26-2012, 10:29 AM
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1 - Riding 'on the pockets' is what a western saddle is designed for. It tends to go along with a mild chair seat - not like riding a Harley, but with the feet forward of the belt buckle. It is not wrong. If you look at photos and illustrations from the 1800s, darn near EVERYONE rode with a bit of a chair seat. Some more than a bit.
It's not wrong if you like being left behind the motion of the horse all the time.



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Apart from dressage, I don't think I've seen more than a couple of photos from before 1950 that showed anyone riding with the 'shoulder-hip-heel' thing.
Riding techniques advance with time, mostly for the better. You might want to read Sally Swift's book.
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post #22 of 43 Old 01-26-2012, 10:42 AM
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It's not wrong if you like being left behind the motion of the horse all the time...
Unless you are riding a forward seat, you are almost always behind the horse's motion. That isn't bad. Or good. It depends on your goal. With a western saddle, you are almost always behind the horse's motion. It is more stable, which is good in rough country. It also sets you up well for roping. The forward seat trades security for making it easier for the horse to move well.

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...Riding techniques advance with time, mostly for the better. You might want to read Sally Swift's book.
Read it. Hate it.

In the 1800s, people rode to DO something. Cavalry often covered 200 miles in less than a week. And in the 1800s, almost no one rode in an arena. And the horses were often owned by someone else, and trained minimally. Don't discount what worked for uncounted thousands of riders based on arena riding, or light recreational riding.

Almost no one today, apart from ranchers, ride as long or in as rough of country as what was done in the 1800s. And most ranchers and cowboys still ride more like old-time cowboys than dressage or jumpers...and FWIW, I like a forward seat & jump saddles. But western riders are not "wrong"...

... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)
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That's an excellent point. A saddle that tips you fwd is bad in many ways and none worse than when it makes you jam the family jewels on the pommel..........
Oh yes I've seen it happen! Poor guy :/

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You seem to think that one has to be either behind or ahead of the motion. That is incorrect. One can be with the motion and the only way to do that is with a balanced seat where the heels and the CG of the body happen to be in vertical alignment. For flatwork, that means shoulder, hips, and heels in a vertical line. For work over fences that means that the shoulder will be ahead of the CG, the hips will be behind the CG, and the heels will be directly under it.

A chair seat is inherently unstable and you need to be able to brace on something to stay on. Which is why western and australian saddles have huge, vertical cantles, pommels, and polleys.


If you are balanced and centered in the saddle you need none of that, as evidenced by the many riders who stay on their horses while cantering, jumping, and galloping cross country (not on manicured arenas) on english saddles during horse trials, fox hunts, and while just riding aggressively.

And there are many fox hunts out west that ride the same country that your cowboys do at a pace that would fry most people's brains.
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being a male rider I learned early on that some things work and some don't.. I like the boxer briefs when I ride, boxers do not make things any easier.. I wear tighter jeans, not skin tight, but I was always more of a slightly baggy pants person, and that doesent help either, not like super baggy like teens wear, and I wear a belt as mounting and dismounting without one your pants move.. also when you sit in the saddle make sure no one is looking or walk for a sec till no one is looking and make sure your stuff is adjusted so it wont pinch if you decide to pick up the speed.. the first time I ever trotted.. it never came to mind and I had to stop because I was singing soprano for a few min.. also a good fitting saddle helps.. if the saddle doesent fit well its easier to smash things..

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Unless you are riding a forward seat, you are almost always behind the horse's motion.
The forward seat trades security for making it easier for the horse to move well.
Alright.. I don't agree with those two points. I feel just as secure in two point because I've got a stable leg and my horse can move freely without me slamming or bumping on his back while I'm trying to find my seat.

But I'll leave it at that.

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For work over fences that means that the shoulder will be ahead of the CG, the hips will be behind the CG, and the heels will be directly under it.
Mildot, what is CG?

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it never came to mind and I had to stop because I was singing soprano for a few min..
Ouch :/

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Alright.. I don't agree with those two points. I feel just as secure in two point because I've got a stable leg and my horse can move freely without me slamming or bumping on his back while I'm trying to find my seat.

But I'll leave it at that.



Mildot, what is CG?



Ouch :/
I think cg is center of gravity at least that's what I've always known it to stand for,. Correct me if im wrong

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The forward seat trades security for making it easier for the horse to move well....
A forward seat, incorrectly assumed, is insecure. A forward seat where the heels are under your center of gravity, is not.
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I think cg is center of gravity at least that's what I've always known it to stand for,. Correct me if im wrong
Correct.

The CG of the human body is approximately at the height of your belly button, centered side to side, and just in front of your spine. It is the center of your "core".
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I will add that I know that there are western saddles that do place you in a centered position.
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