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post #31 of 34 Old 03-13-2008, 12:26 PM Thread Starter
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I know that petting is reinforcing the bad behavior. When my dog would start shaking because of thunder storms, we'd just ignore her. I was just pretty shaken up. I guess i just wanted to make sure he was ok.

Mayfieldk- i've been riding for the past 12 years, so i'm not a green rider. It was just when i ride Vega, my lower leg comes forward and i think that's because i'm concentrating more on her, than what i'm looking like. I was riding Gem so i could focus on my lower leg and not have to worry about him taking off.

Gem was a lesson horse for i'm going to say atleast 5 years. And from just being there for a year already, Lesson horses basically get worked into the ground, They don't care what condition the horse is in. They'll intimidate a horse to make him response, and a bunch of other nasty stuff. So my fiance and I feel that his back is sore from years of having people on him. He also had abcesses that he had to have surgery for, so we feel he is very touchy with his feet and if the ground is too hard, it hurts him.

I guess if you knew Gem, you'd know what the head bob meant. He's done that everytime he's had enough. And my fiance feels bad that he was a lesson horse, so he lets him get away with it. But that's what Tom says and since he works with Gem, he knows his horse.

The only thing that i just don't get is, what he actually spooked at. There was the guy standing behind me, and no one else out there. And he's not the type of horse that will spook at something in the distance either. The only time he spooked was when a brown bag blew towards him in the summer. He took a huge side step and hit into my fiance and then he stopped. That was it. That was the only time he spooked.

I still think he's in some sort of pain. And i'm sure if something scared him that bad, he'd do it, whether he was in pain or not.
maybe i'll post the video of him walking and trotting so you all can see how he moves. He just looks like really stiff to me. And even with him being warmed up, there was no improvement.

This has been something that's been bothering my fiance and me since we got him. And we kept saying, we'll give him time off and he'll be better. But the last time he was ridden was in May? maybe June the latest. So he's had 9 months to recover.
I don't know, it just seems so odd to me.
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post #32 of 34 Old 03-14-2008, 12:33 AM
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I'm not trying to be mean or anything. But the buck wasn't that bad, and you came off--granted I'm sure you had no idea it was coming (aren't they the worst kind?) and if you need to focus on your leg... I'm not suggesting you're green. But I also think if it's best for our horses if we accept that we are not always the perfect riders we would like to be. If you're leg slips forward, then you will come down harder in the saddle. It's simple mechanics.
Also, people tend to read horses and assign them 'meanings'. That head bob is classic of every horse trying to get something in focus. He wasn't even looking at you, nor paying attention to you when you walked up to him. He was scared. If he hadn't been ridden in a while, he also could have been fresh--hence a buck like that when usually you said he doesn't spook. He could have gotten a whiff of something--I know when my horses walk through the woods and if there's a dead animal and they can smell it, they are not happy campers.
He could be sore, I didn't see him moving really. I was just trying to point out that that buck in particular had nothing to do with pain.
If his back is a problem, try the pessoa lunging system, and don't ride him while you use it (for a good few months). It helps him build muscle back over his withers and shoulders, where muscle tends to atrophy when being ridden incorrectly or harshly (like in the lessons you mentioned). I had to use it with my horse, so I can attest to it working well.
You can overcome back problems, so after he's had the rest (like you mentioned) you have to build the muscle back; trying to do it with a saddle on dead muscles doesn't work. I tried. :(
Good luck with him!
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post #33 of 34 Old 03-14-2008, 05:51 AM
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please dont hate me darylann but i agree with the previous poster. im totally not saying that he doesnt have some pain issues you need to deal with but that particular incident doesnt seem pain related at all. all the things mayfieldk has said about his behaviour indicates spook. the head bobbing being about focusing is true too. if he does this often is there any chance he could have sight problems?

it is totally possible that there is some pain going on somewhere but i agree that it doesnt seem to be the cause in this case. we're only going on what we can see though ;)

once again i mean no offence but that particular incident seems spook related especially considering he was walking along fine and then bam...

anyways thats my 2 cents i hope you find whatever the problem is

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oh no that's fine. :) I put it up and expected to get opinions back

He does have a sight problem. He's not blind in his eye, but he has a cataract.
Isn't that called personification? (when you use human traits for non human things?
Well he did spook, and if you were to slow down the video, you'd see how high he got. And everyone at the barn was surprised by that. And yes i wasn't expecting it at all. I was just walking him on a long rein to cool off before i brought him inside, so i was just relaxing up there, thinking about the great ride I had. Doesn't it always happen that way?
I do appreciate everything everyone has said. It probably isn't pain related, but it's always good to check right?
I don't know. After how Gem was acting yesterday, we think something is up

I think my leg would slip forward when i ride Vega was for more support. But when i was riding Gem and I'd look down at my leg, it seemed to be correct.
I could have been falling down on him harder, i don't know. But he still had a short choppy trot when i'd sit to it, and i was hardly moving in the saddle. That's what makes me think that his back is bothering him.
I would lunge him in the pessoa, but i leave all the training to my fiance. Gem is his horse and I let him do what he wants with him. I only asked to ride him to work on my leg.
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