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    01-04-2012, 08:32 AM
  #1
Foal
Need some clarifying on picking up leads

I've been riding my girlfriends horse for her some lately ( I know there's the problem) but yesterday we had a few misunderstandings. Before I start she has been taught by a trainer in her english riding/eventing days and I am self taught with lots of free help so she has the upper hand in these arguments there. Haha

I have started riding him with spurs as he has been spoiled and will break from canter into trot because that's what he's been allowed to do. He is perfect with a crop but I don't like riding with a crop all the time and he has responded suprisingly well with spurs. She's never ridden with spurs so she doesn't fully understand what I'm doing with my legs yet, it's a learning process. Haha

First thing is I was posting to the trot in a straight line down the middle of the arena and she said I was posting to the wrong diagonal...I was taught to rise and fall with the leg on the wall, or the outside leg, but what is the outside leg if I'm going down the middle of the arena?

Also she rides him in a D ring snaffle, I ride him in a single jointed curb bit( pretty middle of the road not harsh, not easy). He responds well to both under normal circumstances. But as I was asking him to pick up canter yesterday I put my inside leg up, outside leg back and rubbed with my heel , but she felt that I needed to pick up my inside rein, and kick with my inside leg to pick up the right lead, which I can't do with spurs on. I felt like picking up on my rein would confuse him with the curb bit in, and I was always taught to use weight distribution in my seat to pick up leads with spurs on.

I just want to hear ya'lls opinion if I have the right idea. She is totally comfortable with me riding him in the equipment that I use, I'm just curious If I had the right idea, and I'm still trying to learn every day.
     
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    01-04-2012, 08:39 AM
  #2
Foal
I forgot to mention that he is an english trained horse, was used for eventing when my girlfriend was younger, and all of my cues I learned to use on western barrel racing or cutting horses. I really don't think the cues are to much different between the disciplines as I've worked with trainers in both sides of the saddle, and I think the idea behind the cues generally have the same idea between disciplines, but then again I'm not 100 percent sure on the english side of riding.

Thanks for the help!
     
    01-04-2012, 08:42 AM
  #3
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by tcb5040    
I've been riding my girlfriends horse for her some lately ( I know there's the problem) but yesterday we had a few misunderstandings. Before I start she has been taught by a trainer in her english riding/eventing days and I am self taught with lots of free help so she has the upper hand in these arguments there. Haha

I have started riding him with spurs as he has been spoiled and will break from canter into trot because that's what he's been allowed to do. He is perfect with a crop but I don't like riding with a crop all the time and he has responded suprisingly well with spurs. She's never ridden with spurs so she doesn't fully understand what I'm doing with my legs yet, it's a learning process. Haha

First thing is I was posting to the trot in a straight line down the middle of the arena and she said I was posting to the wrong diagonal...I was taught to rise and fall with the leg on the wall, or the outside leg, but what is the outside leg if I'm going down the middle of the arena?

Also she rides him in a D ring snaffle, I ride him in a single jointed curb bit( pretty middle of the road not harsh, not easy). He responds well to both under normal circumstances. But as I was asking him to pick up canter yesterday I put my inside leg up, outside leg back and rubbed with my heel , but she felt that I needed to pick up my inside rein, and kick with my inside leg to pick up the right lead, which I can't do with spurs on. I felt like picking up on my rein would confuse him with the curb bit in, and I was always taught to use weight distribution in my seat to pick up leads with spurs on.

I just want to hear ya'lls opinion if I have the right idea. She is totally comfortable with me riding him in the equipment that I use, I'm just curious If I had the right idea, and I'm still trying to learn every day.

PLEASE do not take this as any offence, its purely a question(s).. how long have you been riding, and what sort of level are you at?
I am VERY reluctant to allow anyone to ride my horse in spurs, regardless of level, even though I have myself, and if I ride in a snaffle, they would be too.

Canter leads- Inside leg should be long and on, not 'up' outside leg back. I ask for canter off my inside leg, if the horse doesn't respond, then spur.

As for the inside hand, I would only lift if you're trying to encourage more bend in the neck, but you also need to use more inside leg and seat to achieve this, and do not pull back on the rein.

As for trotting down the middle of the school, if you come off the right rein, through A to C, you stay on the right lead, as with the left lead, and change as you change the bend if you're going another direction.
     
    01-04-2012, 08:59 AM
  #4
Foal
I have been riding all my life, have been riding daily for the past 5 years, but only started riding with spurs a year ago on horses I think benefit with them. I was taught how to use them right though, hardly ever do I need use them in most cases. I learned to really ride on horses used for therapy, but were all so dead broke they taught me to ride. Anything from retired barrel racers to high level dressage horses. I have been very lucky to have that oppurtunity as I still ride them today. As for my level of riding, I do not do any showing, but I am fairly confident in my riding ability with most all horses, and I will at least try with a horse, but I understand that I am always learning and am open to anyone's suggestions.

Thanks for the help btw! What do you mean my the inside leg being "long"? Thanks again!
     
    01-04-2012, 09:04 AM
  #5
Green Broke
Inside leg.. you said 'up'.. you need to imagine it going in to the ground, inside knee off the saddle, calf muscles doing the work for asking and keeping impulsion, don't drag your heel up.
     
    01-04-2012, 09:13 AM
  #6
Trained
Hmmmm. I use my outside leg to shift the hip over to ask, both on my english and western horses. I would suggest you find out how this horse was taught.
     
    01-04-2012, 09:16 AM
  #7
Green Broke
We had this debate in the english riding section ;)

Some people ask differently, but as I stated in that section, if I ask for canter from a trot, or even a walk, with my outside leg, and want to half pass... I then need to use MORE outside leg. Horses are taught to go off the outside leg in half pass and leg yielding, I don't want to confuse my horse by asking with the outside leg for canter, that's something else.
     
    01-04-2012, 09:16 AM
  #8
Foal
That makes more sense, thanks for the clarification!

Just out of curiosity, where are your inside leg and outside leg when asking for canter in relation to the girth? I see people do it many different ways, but I am interested to see how you do it
     
    01-04-2012, 09:23 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Inside leg on the girth, outside leg lieterally just behind, not knee down, but the whole leg is set slightly back. In the long run I want my aids to be 'invisible' so I'm not over emphasising EVERYTHING- younger horses, stubborn horses need a bit more to start off with, but you don't want your outside leg touching the horse's flank ;) This weekend I'll try and get a picture to show you when there is enough light in the school!
     
    01-04-2012, 10:58 AM
  #10
Foal
Cool sounds good! That's also where I keep my legs.

All I've discussed about his training with her is that to pick up the right lead, he knows to pick up the inside rein and pressure with the outside leg, or a kick on the opposite side for a flying lead change. So I've been making my inside leg "long" and using pressure behind the girth on the outside leg to pick up the canter
     

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