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        01-04-2012, 07:14 PM
      #11
    Showing
    I'm curious..do you use your seat to drive the horse to keep cantering.. or rely on your leg/spurs?
         
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        01-04-2012, 07:22 PM
      #12
    Showing
    IMHO, if you are riding her horse, then you should find out how she rides him and then learn to ride him that way. It's not fair to the horse or to your girlfriend to make the horse learn different cues that may be contradictory and confusing.
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        01-04-2012, 08:24 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    I'm curious..do you use your seat to drive the horse to keep cantering.. or rely on your leg/spurs?
    I will push him with my hips/seat, but when he is feeling stubborn(which is alot) he will crow hop and break into trot. Then I will use my calf/spurs to remind him to keep going. Once I use the spurs once I usually don't need to use them the rest of the ride.
         
        01-04-2012, 08:38 PM
      #14
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by tcb5040    
    I will push him with my hips/seat, but when he is feeling stubborn(which is alot) he will crow hop and break into trot. Then I will use my calf/spurs to remind him to keep going. Once I use the spurs once I usually don't need to use them the rest of the ride.
    Are you sure it's not because he doesn't feel balanced or he could be cross firing? Greener horses usually do that.

    I'm glad you use your seat.. some people forget so it's hard for the horse to know if it should keep going or not.

    But like someone said, I would stick with doing what your girlfriend does with her horse otherwise you'll have one confused horse. If you both were working on changing how you ask, then that'd be a different story. Or if one of you was riding English and the other western, that'd be different. But since you're in her tack and on her horse doing english.. stick with what she tells you, even if it's not what most English riders do :)
         
        01-04-2012, 08:43 PM
      #15
    Foal
    I should give a little back story, not being argumentive, just giving the back story.

    I started riding her horse a couple of months ago, because she was very nervous with him on the trail, and I was going to put miles on him for her. Then a couple of weeks ago he blew up and threw me in the middle of the road, so I decided I was going to figure him out in the ring a little more before I carry him by the road again.

    She's been having the same problem I'm having with him breaking into trot, so that's when I started using spurs, and I bought her a pair of bumper spurs so I could teach her how to use them. The only things we're doing different at the moment is the picking up of the inside rein. She's been wanting to transition him to a curb bit as he responds so well to mine and it has a little more bite if needed on the trail, but I know that curb bits have a lot of warning signals, and I wasn't sure if picking up on the inside rein could confuse him.

    Did I mention that he is an appy/arabian mix? The stubborness is amazing sometimes.
         
        01-04-2012, 08:54 PM
      #16
    Foal
    I figured it would be from being unbalanced but he does it after 2 strides of canter consistently every time, and once I get him past that he's great, has a nice relaxed canter.
    And we are riding with different saddles and bridles, but he responds well to both of them, the only difference is my saddle is about 7 pounds heavier, but both are western. Thanks for your help!
         
        01-04-2012, 09:32 PM
      #17
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by tcb5040    
    I figured it would be from being unbalanced but he does it after 2 strides of canter consistently every time, and once I get him past that he's great, has a nice relaxed canter.
    And we are riding with different saddles and bridles, but he responds well to both of them, the only difference is my saddle is about 7 pounds heavier, but both are western. Thanks for your help!
    Do you know how well he's been trained? Does she have any lessons (your girlfriend) under her belt? If I'm prodding too much, let me know.

    My horse can do a lot of strides by himself at the canter with me on his back, but he often gets a little un-balanced so we trot and pick it up again.

    He could be falling into the canter, which is why he consistently gets 2 strides in then falls apart. Try to get more put together before you ask for more. I could go into detail but I'm still grasping all of it myself. Though lateral work like leg yields on and off the rail, circles, serpentines, etc. will help. Also maybe instead of pushing him on, keep transitioning between trot and canter.. like 10 strides canter, back to trot for 5, canter again for 15, back to trot for 5. That way the horse will be paying more attention to you as well.

    Do you believe in lunging/is the horse trained to lunge? It helps to work them at the lunge through those transitions or to get them cantering consistently. It's not for everyone, but it sure has helped my green horse who canters much better now that he's getting lunged consistently beforehand.

    And I have no experience with curb bits so I can't help there, sorry :/
         
        01-04-2012, 10:23 PM
      #18
    Foal
    He's trained in english/eventing as is my girlfriend. I'm pretty sure they learned together, but for the past 2 years she has rode him primarily western with some english here and there.

    As for transitioning from trot to canter, I have been doing that as part of his exercising, as he is not in the best of shape.

    I am not against lunging, I will use it as part of an exercise or to help with balance, but I do not rely on it. I haven't tried him with a lunge line yet but now that you mention it, I think it would benefit him. Thanks for the help!
         
        01-04-2012, 10:34 PM
      #19
    Showing
    You're welcome :)

    There is a section on this forum on horse riding critique where you could upload of film of him trotting and cantering to get more information/help on him.

    Good luck!
         
        01-05-2012, 03:28 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Looking at this, and re-reading, I would get his back checked out- it may be more than just stubborness, he may be soreness.

    Get his saddle and back checked out. If that's alright, I would suggest putting him on a lunge and chasing him, let his go in a canter, and keep it, if he tries to trot, keep the canter up- YOU decide when you want it to stop... using vocals helps too.. my mare canters, slows, forwards and comes back on command, it takes practise, but cluck if you see the engagement of the hind end slowing or failing to go back in to trot- don't cluck until then, if you keep cluck,cluck,cluck he'll tune out.
         

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