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    04-14-2012, 10:01 PM
  #31
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I guess I am the only person who thinks that it would be better manners to not ride on that piece of grass. I don't know the legalities of who owns that piece of land, but taking the OPs word for it - even if she doesn't own it, she maintains it, and she has to look at it every day.

Horses do tear up grass just by walking over it. At my barn, which is at my trainers house there is a piece of grass that is a short cut to my horses field. I walk on that but when I am leading my horse we go down the road and use the driveway instead.

If the 11yr old rider isn't safe to be on the road, she probably shouldn't be next to the road either. It would take next to nothing for her horse to have a reaction and end up in the road.
You're not alone *shrugs*
     
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    04-14-2012, 11:19 PM
  #32
Weanling
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
You're not alone *shrugs*
Ditto. :)
     
    04-14-2012, 11:51 PM
  #33
Cat
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by AlexS    

If the 11yr old rider isn't safe to be on the road, she probably shouldn't be next to the road either. It would take next to nothing for her horse to have a reaction and end up in the road.

Well if you use that train of thought then it could be extrapolated out to none of us should ride because it would take "next to nothing" for a horse to have a reaction and a person end up hurt.

When you ride you try to minimize dangers to a minimum as much as possible and I think I would rather see an 11 year old riding on the grass next to the road rather on the road. It just seems overall safer for the child - "what ifs" aside. One of the reason easements are there are so people don't have to be on the road with the traffic. In the country this tends to include horses.

And really - how much does a horse tear up grass as long as its dry out? If they truly tore up established sod that easily then we would never be able to maintain them in pastures. They'd destroy them before they could graze them! Not sure where you are located - maybe you have less sturdy grass than we have here in KY - but ours can withstand horse hooves very easily. I can understand wanting someone to stay off if its wet or newly turned up or seeded soil, but dry established sod? They don't cause damage and again - those easements are there for a reason and one of those is for safe travel.
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    04-14-2012, 11:52 PM
  #34
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I guess I am the only person who thinks that it would be better manners to not ride on that piece of grass. I don't know the legalities of who owns that piece of land, but taking the OPs word for it - even if she doesn't own it, she maintains it, and she has to look at it every day.

Horses do tear up grass just by walking over it. At my barn, which is at my trainers house there is a piece of grass that is a short cut to my horses field. I walk on that but when I am leading my horse we go down the road and use the driveway instead.

If the 11yr old rider isn't safe to be on the road, she probably shouldn't be next to the road either. It would take next to nothing for her horse to have a reaction and end up in the road.
I'll qualify all the following with the fact that I have no idea what a shod horses foot might do. All my comments are based on unshod horses, since we've never put shoes on our's. It could be that a shod hoof does terrible things to the ground. I never paid attention during the few times in my life that I rode someone's shod horse, so I'm not qualified to say what a shod hoof will do. (except that shod feet get worse traction on pavement....that I do know first hand)

I've allowed my mare and filly to graze along the same 1/4 mile stretch of shoulder almost every day since before the start of Spring when I've taken them out for training/conditioning and except for where you can see their tracks on the dirt road at the points they step onto and off of the shoulder (where we start grazing and stop grazing) you can't tell a horse as been on the shoulder unless they happen to crap while there. Even at the 4 mail box areas that the people keep cut and maintained. People have ridden up and down this shoulder for years and I've never seen any sign of it being torn up. There's not even an indicaiton of a "trail" along the shoulder, since the horses don't follow the exact same line every time they walk along the shoulder. Unless you've got a mostly "dirt" shoulder, or the horse is running (which can tear up chunks of sod), or the horse is acting up and moving erratically (which will twist the sod up) there's not going to be much if any indication that a horse was there if they're just waking. Well, unless of course the horse happens to answer the call of nature, but that helps the grass instead of damaging it.

You would have to have an awful LOT of horse traffic on a well sodded road shoulder to start tearing it up. I know from 1971-1980 three horses almost daily going out and coming in never messed up the shoulder. That was from a working farm, so there weren't many days we didn't ride out. Although there were times when all three didn't go, it was extremely rare if none did. (Riding fence lines beats walking them.)

While we didn't mind riding on the road, and usually did ride on the paved road when available to help with hoof wear and hardening, but that piece of highway between the road to the house and the third pasture had a sudden drop where the land natually dropped towards the stream and they rose back up. That made that section of highway blind to any driver until they crested it. Only a crazy person would ride on the highway there. But even after 9 years that I was there with that shoulder being ridden on very regularly it still didn't show any signs of it, unless you caught it on a day the horse left a deposit.

I've seen smaller pastures with turf damage, but that's with a lot of horses being on it for longer periods of time. You get group of horses running or playing around and they can tear up some turf and mess up a small pasture. But that's a different condition than riding along the shoulder.

What it really boils down to is dealing with reality when you select where you want to be. I enjoy things the city has to offer (plays, restaurants, conerts, etc....), but I dislike the "light and noise" polution and I would rather have my horses in my back yard vs boarding them. So the country, where that is normal is a better choice for me and I can visit the city if I feel the need for what offers. If I disliked "farm" animals doing what they do, smelling how they smell or looking how they look then I shouldn't live in the country, but move to a city or the "burbs" and just visit a State or National Park for a pic-nic or stroll, etc... when I want to enjoy the country invironment.
If I have a problem with someone riding legally in front of my house then I should live someplace where it's either not allowed (good luck finding many of those outside a large city), or where it's extremely unlikely to happen. The country is not one of those places.
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    04-14-2012, 11:54 PM
  #35
Yearling
Neighbors ... we had one family down the road think that it was okay to come ride our horses!! I'm serious!! We came home to see Oats CAKED with sweat (He's 22!) and went to their house and confronted them. They admited it. We chewed them to no core. We don't speak anymore. I'm usually very kind to adults, respectful, and good to neighbors. But these people I just blew up ...

On the flipside, our direct next door neighbor is a sweetie ^.^ She is retired, and when her grandkids come over, she asked if they could feed the horses grass from across the fence (like pulling up the reg. Grass from the ground,) and obviously we said, of course! But make sure they watch thier fingers. Well, one got bit, but she said that it wasn't our fault, and procedded to feed, pet, and enjoy the horses :) We love her! She also lets me come over and chill out in her in-ground pool if we're bored :p She comes over for dinner ...

So there is a good side and a bad side to neighbors. I hope you find some good neighbors! Maybe your nasty-neighbor will move and nice people will come in ^.^
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    04-15-2012, 12:42 AM
  #36
Yearling
Where I board my horses is on a farm at the end of a street. Subdivisions in the past 15yrs have been built into this particular area, as it is in town, albeit the land is quite swampy and was much better for animals than housing - it's cost a LOT of money to build houses up onto this land in some areas.

Anyways, when I was younger (about 8 years ago), a group of us would get together and hack our horses around the area every weekend. We road specifically on the roads - normally in single file - and never on the footpaths. All the neighbours in the houses loved the sight of the horses - minus one, but she didn't cause us much trouble. I even remember one Asian family stopping us in our tracks on their moving in day and begged us to stay for a photo, haha!

I left the property, but returned about 3 years ago. It's a completely different story now. If you ride your horse on the road and it poops, you get abused by several of the residents. If you're not careful, one particular resident if he's in his truck revs the engine and zooms passed you, yelling "get some real horse power" etc. I personally don't ride down the road at present, but fellow boarders are always getting notes left to their cars that are quite nasty now - for not even doing anything except riding (ie the horse hasn't left any mess). I took the opportunity a week ago to lead my mare down the road for training (she's never been ridden on it yet) and thankfully had no mishaps, and encountered one of the few remaining neighbours who actually remembered me (might have something to do with my mare being the same colour as the mare I used to own haha).

I wouldn't be trying to train her out there if I didn't want to ride up to the pony club. It's the only route from our paddocks... and the property behind ours has a lot of pony clubbers/adult riders who use the all weather arena up there. With winter coming, I too want to use it, but I am nervous about the idiots... the horses and riders have more to worry about than the residents do now.

Some of the people from the property behind ours do ride on the footpath because of the driver I mentioned above... and this has only aggravated the community more. There are many horses in the area, and it never used to be an issue, but now it is. It's a true shame that its gone this way. I understand people are property proud down this street (and of course they are, their houses are modern homes but paid fraction of the price cos its next to a main rail track so they have been able to put more into their homes than other areas) but the road is public property. I plan to respect as much as I can, but they don't own the street as well.
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    04-15-2012, 12:47 AM
  #37
Weanling
Thanks to all the people who can see my point of view, as for the rest, well I don't know.

First my horses are not shod. I don't ride out off my place if it has rained in the last 2 to 3 days.
I'm 46 and I have lived on this road since I was 16, moved about a mile down the road from where my parents are. My husband and I bought our place and we were surrounded by pasture everywhere and then the boom came and a developement went in behind us and our road got a lot more busy. I understand all about being polite neighbors, my father was in the military and we lived most of our lives on one post or the other, we know about following rules.
This incident that annoyed my neighbor was the very first trip off our place this year. I went and looked at the rightaway area and there is nothing wrong with it, I can't see any hoofprints nothing.
You don't come beat down my door and threaten me with the county attorney and expect me to just roll over and play dead. If she had really wanted to reach an agreement with me she could have asked nicely. I'm sorry but when you don't have right on your side you have to ask. If I was in the wrong then come over and give it to me and correct me and I will follow the rules. Not to mention she came over exactly to the day a week after my niece went on a trail ride, she put her sign up a day or two later and no one had even trail rode since. She was looking for a fight, family and friends had been over all day playng with horses on my property, having a good time and I think it annoyed the crap out of her.
We never consistantly going trail riding the same way either, so technically my niece can only go if she has a experienced person with her, and since that can't happen every week and we don't leave out the same way twice, just how much traffice is there going to be on the lawful rightaway.
Believe me when I told my family and friends about this they thought I should go trail riding that day and show her, I did not, I don't want a war but I have rights too.
The amish ride all the time in this area, I don't think anything about it, even
Before I had horses. I enjoy seeing something out of the ordinary.
I tease my husband all the time about his fence building, we have a perimeter fence as a last resort, plus they have their fences for their pasture. We did this for the safety of others and we learned that horses can be very smart, we don't want a neighbor to walk outside and find our horses chomping up their flowers or ruining their lawns. I have to open and close a gate to my driveway which sometimes annoys the heck out of me,(hubby really needs to make it electric lol) but its the price I pay for having them, so I get on with it.
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    04-15-2012, 01:14 AM
  #38
Banned
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Originally Posted by Cat    
Well if you use that train of thought then it could be extrapolated out to none of us should ride because it would take "next to nothing" for a horse to have a reaction and a person end up hurt.
Not really, I am capable of riding on the roads, so I do so. The original argument was something along the lines of reducing risk for an 11 year old. I'd never ride on the grass verge in front of someone's house.


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Originally Posted by chandra1313    
The amish ride all the time in this area, I don't think anything about it, even
before I had horses. I enjoy seeing something out of the ordinary.
Yup totally, but they are on the road, where they should be.


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Originally Posted by Cat    
And really - how much does a horse tear up grass as long as its dry out?
I don't think a horse is going to tear up the grass that much in the use that is described, but the home owner should not have to feel like she is the grass police either and on guard if it has rained or it is starting to show signs of getting torn up. That's just not her job.


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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
I'll qualify all the following with the fact that I have no idea what a shod horses foot might do.
Not epic amounts of damage. But it leaves marks, sometimes divots, if it has rained the whole shoe mark is visible.





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Originally Posted by chandra1313    
You don't come beat down my door and threaten me with the county attorney and expect me to just roll over and play dead. If she had really wanted to reach an agreement with me she could have asked nicely.
It sounds to me that your issue is more about the way she presented her issue to you.





As a horse person myself, any horse owner could ride through my yard. I'd be totally fine with them doing whatever they wanted to do if it made them feel better. However, the entire world does not think this way and we need to understand this. Some people don't like animals, heck some people don't like children. If she doesn't want horses riding over land that she maintains even if she doesn't own that land - this should be respected in my opinion.
     
    04-15-2012, 01:35 AM
  #39
Cat
Green Broke
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Not really, I am capable of riding on the roads, so I do so. The original argument was something along the lines of reducing risk for an 11 year old. I'd never ride on the grass verge in front of someone's house.
Ummm...yeah. Read the rest of what I wrote not just a snippet.

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I don't think a horse is going to tear up the grass that much in the use that is described, but the home owner should not have to feel like she is the grass police either and on guard if it has rained or it is starting to show signs of getting torn up. That's just not her job.
But its not even owned by them - its public property which was intended for safe passage. Its not like someone is trying to walk over a flower bed. In fact - try planting a flowerbed in that area and watch how quickly the county "respects it" when they come by and mow it down. Anyone who moves out to the country should know that they risk humans, equines and/or canines walking on that part of their "property" since its not theirs. They may maintain it, but its not theirs and really, everyone in that county pays taxes towards the maintenance of it because usually the county does mow every so often and repair ditches that have been over eroded.
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    04-15-2012, 02:05 AM
  #40
Weanling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
Not really, I am capable of riding on the roads, so I do so. The original argument was something along the lines of reducing risk for an 11 year old. I'd never ride on the grass verge in front of someone's house.




Yup totally, but they are on the road, where they should be.




I don't think a horse is going to tear up the grass that much in the use that is described, but the home owner should not have to feel like she is the grass police either and on guard if it has rained or it is starting to show signs of getting torn up. That's just not her job.




Not epic amounts of damage. But it leaves marks, sometimes divots, if it has rained the whole shoe mark is visible.







It sounds to me that your issue is more about the way she presented her issue to you.





As a horse person myself, any horse owner could ride through my yard. I'd be totally fine with them doing whatever they wanted to do if it made them feel better. However, the entire world does not think this way and we need to understand this. Some people don't like animals, heck some people don't like children. If she doesn't want horses riding over land that she maintains even if she doesn't own that land - this should be respected in my opinion.
I want to respect your opinion, you have the right to it, but I can't.
When I told her to get off my property and why was she opening my gate and walking on my grass and dirt and she replied it's the only way she could get here. I told her can't you hear how stupid you sould when you say that. It's fine for her to come on my property and make a fuss, and I haven't even violated her stupid sign.
My husband did go to the police department and made sure that we weren't doing anything we shouldn't be doing and was told that as long as we were 30feet from the center line we were fine, she doesn't own that, the state does.
I noticed she used the rightaway to get to my home.
If she had been nice about it, I probably would have avoided her rightaway just to keep a neighbor happy and I might avoid it anyways, just so I don't have a conflict with a neighbor. I haven't made my mind up yet on it.
     

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