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    04-15-2012, 03:05 AM
  #41
Weanling
I am rural , well semi rural - we have moved from out in the sticks to somewhere much closer to 'town' and while , at our old home where we were well off the main drag with a long drive way I would not have cared should someone ride/move sheep or cows down the road (as they regularly did) here It would irritate me greatly and I have steps taken to avoid this.

We are near the pony club and get the prissy 'im so awesome' 11-17 year old pony clubbers coming down the road , ride all over my mothers well tended front lawn - yes this includes right down to the kerb, ruining her plants and dragging up the grass. I don't think that it is fair that you destroy her grass (and yes , if she is tending it regularly , putting hours into grass she has had seeded herself for a particular type and look and grass that she pays to water via her sprinkler systems even if it is owned by the government).

It is not so much the riding that bothers us, and if a lorry was baring down on them of course we would want a child to move over but there is gravel to ride on , there is the road to ride on - there is no reason otherwise to be riding on the grass , and it is rather self righteous to say otherwise. Why do you have any more right to it than her??

Our issue , more than the damage to the grass , is the blatant disregard for our feelings towards our obviously well tended yard. We make an effort to make our surroundings look nice and feel nice to live in - and for you to come and deliberately ride across and potentially ruin that for us is unfair. Please note , that should a lorry be coming of course you move over , but I don't read this in the original post - I read it as just riding on it for the sake of riding on it.

We often get loose stock on the road, this week alone with have had a recurring loose cow that has appeared in our front yard several times, once we had some 200 sheep that were loose running on the road. We got the neighbors son and his dog to round them up and stick them in the back paddock until the farmers union could find where they had come from and they could be picked up. Im not un-neighborly at all , I'd rather his sheep safe in the paddock than loose on the road where not only could they do a damage to themselves , more importantly they could cause a serious car accident. I didn't 'have it out' with the shepherd when he came to get them (a week later) and he was grateful that somebody had taken the time to get them to safety and put effort into tracing him (he was away on holiday and his hand had bailed on him). Were good friends now and when he kills a beast we regularly get a good roast and the most gorgeous sausages and steaks off him... being accommodating and friendly has its benefits..

Honestly , I find you (at least what you have described and the way you have done so) , very rude and full of a sour sense of self importance and get the feeling that you have little regard for the feelings of others and what they find important. I also agree with Alex , if your child is not equip with the skills to ride on the road , than she should not be on the grass verge either. Yes she could have perhaps presented herself better but you saying 'she beat on your door' as if that is some sort of excuse for your bad manners does not fly either.
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    04-15-2012, 05:36 AM
  #42
Banned
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Originally Posted by Cat    
Ummm...yeah. Read the rest of what I wrote not just a snippet.
I did and I felt like I addressed that, I just didn't think a wall of quote was needed so you knew I was responding to your comments.


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Originally Posted by chandra1313    
I want to respect your opinion, you have the right to it, but I can't.
When I told her to get off my property and why was she opening my gate and walking on my grass and dirt and she replied it's the only way she could get here. I told her can't you hear how stupid you sould when you say that. It's fine for her to come on my property and make a fuss, and I haven't even violated her stupid sign.
How on earth would she address an issue with you without coming onto your property?
Should she put a letter in your mailbox? (I think, not sure, that's illegal to do).
It's a perfectly normal response for neighbors to go to the door of a neighbor that they want to discuss something with. Or would you prefer she went to the police and they came to talk to you about it, without her having tried to resolve it at all personally?


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Originally Posted by chandra1313    
My husband did go to the police department and made sure that we weren't doing anything we shouldn't be doing and was told that as long as we were 30feet from the center line we were fine, she doesn't own that, the state does.
I noticed she used the rightaway to get to my home.
If she had been nice about it, I probably would have avoided her rightaway just to keep a neighbor happy and I might avoid it anyways, just so I don't have a conflict with a neighbor. I haven't made my mind up yet on it.
Why deliberately keep upsetting a neighbor when it can be so easily avoided? I guess I must be some amazing neighborly person or something as I would never do that.

I really truly believe that if the child is not safe to ride on the road, then she is not safe to ride just slightly in from the road either. Of course if there is something terrible happening, ride right through their yard, but to just routinely do this just seems so unneeded.


I am trying so hard to wrap my head around this, and I guess I must be missing something. The point appears to be that she came onto your property and you are angry about that. I don't really see how that's particularly relevant to the riding issue - as this seems to be your issue not the neighbors.
Then it's for the child's safety that she simply MUST ride on this land rather than the road. How is she any safer being a couple of foot in from the road in an unfenced open area?
If the child safety is at risk from riding on the road why is she permitted to ride RIGHT NEXT to it?

I am really failing to get it. Your neighbor obviously doesn't share your love of horses, or your concern for the child. And there is no law that says she should.

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Originally Posted by Cat    

But its not even owned by them - its public property which was intended for safe passage. Its not like someone is trying to walk over a flower bed. In fact - try planting a flowerbed in that area and watch how quickly the county "respects it" when they come by and mow it down. Anyone who moves out to the country should know that they risk humans, equines and/or canines walking on that part of their "property" since its not theirs. They may maintain it, but its not theirs and really, everyone in that county pays taxes towards the maintenance of it because usually the county does mow every so often and repair ditches that have been over eroded.
I have no idea about the legality of who owns it. And I don't really see why it matters all that much. The neighbor maintains the land, she looks at it, it is attached to her property. She doesn't want the child riding on it, and there is no reason why the child should ride on it.

Is it really worth escalating this issue just because? What happens if they start passing their car too closely while the child is riding the horse on the road or the verge next to the road? Or sounding a car horn repeatedly while the child is riding past?
There are a million and one situations where this could get so ugly and it is so easily avoided. I just don't see the point at all.
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    04-15-2012, 05:41 AM
  #43
Weanling
I wonder what happens if she does what the little old man down the street does when ever people ride on the grass out front of his home - and turn the sprinklers on.. I've not met a horse yet who does not freak out if an rotary sprinkler is switched on under his feet..

And there is not a thing you can do legally if your horse leaps sideways into traffic / dumps you because he/she is afraid of the scary water spitting dragon hissing under their feet.
     
    04-15-2012, 05:59 AM
  #44
Banned
Exactly Scoope, and it is all so avoidable.

And the other horse owners in the area could well be the ones who pay for the stubbornness.


If I were the neighbor, as a horse owner and lover myself and someone who cares about children even I would be scratching my head wondering why she has to ride over the grass rather than not riding on the road entirely.
If there is an emergency ride through the yard, do whatever needs to be done but just to do it routinely seems so pointless.
     
    04-15-2012, 06:14 AM
  #45
Trained
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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
What it really boils down to is dealing with reality when you select where you want to be. I enjoy things the city has to offer (plays, restaurants, conerts, etc....), but I dislike the "light and noise" polution and I would rather have my horses in my back yard vs boarding them. So the country, where that is normal is a better choice for me and I can visit the city if I feel the need for what offers. If I disliked "farm" animals doing what they do, smelling how they smell or looking how they look then I shouldn't live in the country, but move to a city or the "burbs" and just visit a State or National Park for a pic-nic or stroll, etc... when I want to enjoy the country invironment.
Exactly how I feel but sadly, the burb developments are forever expanding into the country around here, and you have the problem of burb mentality/expectations in a non-burb zoned area (along with the traffic, noise, etc).
In our county, there is no such thing as 'residential' and 'agricultural' zoning. All non-commercial/industrial/special use/etc properties outside the town/city limits are zoned 'residential agricultural' whether it is a 1/2 acre lot or a 1000 acre farm, and there are no county restrictions on farm animals (except roosters).
Personally, I enjoy waking up and hearing the roosters and the cows in the morning and falling asleep hearing the tractors/combines in the evening during the planting/harvesting season.

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If I have a problem with someone riding legally in front of my house then I should live someplace where it's either not allowed (good luck finding many of those outside a large city), or where it's extremely unlikely to happen. The country is not one of those places.
There are a few in this general area. They are very expensive subdivisions with HOAs, restrictive covenants, private roads, and private trails. Some are gated, some not, but they all have a set of no trespassing signs at the entrances and I avoid riding anywhere near them.
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    04-15-2012, 07:27 AM
  #46
Yearling
There is a guy in our neighborhood, (if you want to call it that, its mostly farm fields..), who does yell if you ride on the right of way. I just cross the street. No big deal and it makes him happy.
As to damage done by hooves, you should see my "riding area" in the front yard. It is so bad we can't ride there anymore and will have to be dragged with a weighted roller to fix it...
     
    04-15-2012, 10:02 AM
  #47
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoope    
I am rural , well semi rural - we have moved from out in the sticks to somewhere much closer to 'town' and while , at our old home where we were well off the main drag with a long drive way I would not have cared should someone ride/move sheep or cows down the road (as they regularly did) here It would irritate me greatly and I have steps taken to avoid this.

We are near the pony club and get the prissy 'im so awesome' 11-17 year old pony clubbers coming down the road , ride all over my mothers well tended front lawn - yes this includes right down to the kerb, ruining her plants and dragging up the grass. I don't think that it is fair that you destroy her grass (and yes , if she is tending it regularly , putting hours into grass she has had seeded herself for a particular type and look and grass that she pays to water via her sprinkler systems even if it is owned by the government).

It is not so much the riding that bothers us, and if a lorry was baring down on them of course we would want a child to move over but there is gravel to ride on , there is the road to ride on - there is no reason otherwise to be riding on the grass , and it is rather self righteous to say otherwise. Why do you have any more right to it than her??

Our issue , more than the damage to the grass , is the blatant disregard for our feelings towards our obviously well tended yard. We make an effort to make our surroundings look nice and feel nice to live in - and for you to come and deliberately ride across and potentially ruin that for us is unfair. Please note , that should a lorry be coming of course you move over , but I don't read this in the original post - I read it as just riding on it for the sake of riding on it.

We often get loose stock on the road, this week alone with have had a recurring loose cow that has appeared in our front yard several times, once we had some 200 sheep that were loose running on the road. We got the neighbors son and his dog to round them up and stick them in the back paddock until the farmers union could find where they had come from and they could be picked up. Im not un-neighborly at all , I'd rather his sheep safe in the paddock than loose on the road where not only could they do a damage to themselves , more importantly they could cause a serious car accident. I didn't 'have it out' with the shepherd when he came to get them (a week later) and he was grateful that somebody had taken the time to get them to safety and put effort into tracing him (he was away on holiday and his hand had bailed on him). Were good friends now and when he kills a beast we regularly get a good roast and the most gorgeous sausages and steaks off him... being accommodating and friendly has its benefits..

Honestly , I find you (at least what you have described and the way you have done so) , very rude and full of a sour sense of self importance and get the feeling that you have little regard for the feelings of others and what they find important. I also agree with Alex , if your child is not equip with the skills to ride on the road , than she should not be on the grass verge either. Yes she could have perhaps presented herself better but you saying 'she beat on your door' as if that is some sort of excuse for your bad manners does not fly either.
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    04-15-2012, 10:12 AM
  #48
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoope    
I wonder what happens if she does what the little old man down the street does when ever people ride on the grass out front of his home - and turn the sprinklers on.. I've not met a horse yet who does not freak out if an rotary sprinkler is switched on under his feet..

And there is not a thing you can do legally if your horse leaps sideways into traffic / dumps you because he/she is afraid of the scary water spitting dragon hissing under their feet.
Actually in some States (like SC) there is something you can do. That "little old man" is going to pay a hefty fine and almost certainly go to jail if the horse or rider was injured.
Many states have laws making it illegal to do something that will endager a horse or rider. Even to the point that to open someones gate to deliberately allow their horse to get out, which may endanger the horse or someone else can carry a $10,000 fine in SC.
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    04-15-2012, 10:18 AM
  #49
Weanling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    
I did and I felt like I addressed that, I just didn't think a wall of quote was needed so you knew I was responding to your comments.



How on earth would she address an issue with you without coming onto your property?
Should she put a letter in your mailbox? (I think, not sure, that's illegal to do).
It's a perfectly normal response for neighbors to go to the door of a neighbor that they want to discuss something with. Or would you prefer she went to the police and they came to talk to you about it, without her having tried to resolve it at all personally?




Why deliberately keep upsetting a neighbor when it can be so easily avoided? I guess I must be some amazing neighborly person or something as I would never do that.

I really truly believe that if the child is not safe to ride on the road, then she is not safe to ride just slightly in from the road either. Of course if there is something terrible happening, ride right through their yard, but to just routinely do this just seems so unneeded.


I am trying so hard to wrap my head around this, and I guess I must be missing something. The point appears to be that she came onto your property and you are angry about that. I don't really see how that's particularly relevant to the riding issue - as this seems to be your issue not the neighbors.
Then it's for the child's safety that she simply MUST ride on this land rather than the road. How is she any safer being a couple of foot in from the road in an unfenced open area?
If the child safety is at risk from riding on the road why is she permitted to ride RIGHT NEXT to it?

I am really failing to get it. Your neighbor obviously doesn't share your love of horses, or your concern for the child. And there is no law that says she should.



I have no idea about the legality of who owns it. And I don't really see why it matters all that much. The neighbor maintains the land, she looks at it, it is attached to her property. She doesn't want the child riding on it, and there is no reason why the child should ride on it.

Is it really worth escalating this issue just because? What happens if they start passing their car too closely while the child is riding the horse on the road or the verge next to the road? Or sounding a car horn repeatedly while the child is riding past?
There are a million and one situations where this could get so ugly and it is so easily avoided. I just don't see the point at all.

Omg, its your lecturing that is the most annoying about all this. Your not listening. It was one time, she put the sign up, no one rode on the state owned rightaway since she put the sign up, a week passed then she came to my home.
She is a neighbor I understand that, my rights aren't more important then hers (legally she doesn't have any).
The 11yr old is learning to ride down this particular road, she spent 2mos learning to trail ride off a road with about a 100feet right away. She is learning, there are going to be mistakes and trying to figure out how to do this without upsetting someone. Believe me if we were riding down this road, in the road and traffic was being held up, the police would tell us to ride in the rightaway. The police officer told my husband that they prefer people to ride there so as to avoid hangups with cars and slowing traffic.
Your approach is the same as this particular lady's it's not very endearing it doesn't bring out the best in people. You should work on that.
     
    04-15-2012, 10:22 AM
  #50
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoope    
I wonder what happens if she does what the little old man down the street does when ever people ride on the grass out front of his home - and turn the sprinklers on.. I've not met a horse yet who does not freak out if an rotary sprinkler is switched on under his feet..

And there is not a thing you can do legally if your horse leaps sideways into traffic / dumps you because he/she is afraid of the scary water spitting dragon hissing under their feet.
This statement amazes me, just to set your mind at ease. In the state of Kentucky if you do something to spook a horse your going to be in trouble and can be held liable.
Our legislature believes that equine use should be encouraged and falls on the side of the equine owner.
     

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