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  • In ky how much easemen t does the highway have

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    04-15-2012, 09:31 AM
  #51
Cat
Green Broke
Exactly - which is also why horses are allowed in the easement area and maybe it totally baffles us from KY that anyone would discourage a safe riding area along the road.

Another thing - I know where I used to live up north the roads were fairly straight and rarely was there a blind curve - so riding on the road was relatively safe to do. You could see easily what was coming and move over only when needed. Here in KY you usually do not have that luxury. Our roads are mostly curves and even most saddle clubs (adults - not children) when going down on the road will ride on the side rather actually on the road due to safety.

Guess there is just a different mentality in our state.
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    04-15-2012, 09:34 AM
  #52
Yearling
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Originally Posted by AlexS    

I am really failing to get it. Your neighbor obviously doesn't share your love of horses, or your concern for the child. And there is no law that says she should.

I have no idea about the legality of who owns it. And I don't really see why it matters all that much. The neighbor maintains the land, she looks at it, it is attached to her property. She doesn't want the child riding on it, and there is no reason why the child should ride on it.
No there's not law that says the woman has to worry about the child, but.... there is a law that says the child, or anyone else, can ride on the shoulder.

I, along with the rest of the residence of the county and state, help pay to maintain the roads. So does that mean we can drive 100 MPH down the road? We also pay for whatever maintenance is done on the shoulder (if some does more that's there call, but it doesn't change the law). I don't like motocycles driving past my farm...I find them excessively loud and unpleasant, but the law says they have the right to use the road just like any other street legal vehicle. So while it may force me to deal with some noise polution, it's legal and I just have to learn to live with it. My complaining, getting upset and eventually making an ass of myself to every person I know or meet who rides a motorcycle is not going to change the situation. Motorcyles are not going to suddenly stop being ridden on roads in the country and it's still going to be legal for them to do so.
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    04-15-2012, 10:15 AM
  #53
Trained
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Originally Posted by Scoope    
...I don't think that it is fair that you destroy her grass (and yes , if she is tending it regularly , putting hours into grass she has had seeded herself for a particular type and look and grass that she pays to water via her sprinkler systems even if it is owned by the government)...

...Why do you have any more right to it than her??

Our issue , more than the damage to the grass , is the blatant disregard for our feelings towards our obviously well tended yard...
If it is public land, why does she have any more right to it than I do?

Where I live, the side of the road is about 15 feet from where private property begins. If your mother wants to water public land, that is OK by me - but it doesn't make the land hers.

We don't have much traffic, so I ride on the pavement to the desert trails (Arizona). If a car comes, I move over. It isn't an easement. It is part of the public road system.

After a ride, I go clean up any poop my horses make. It isn't required, but it is nice. But when I ride beside the pavement, I'm not on anyone's personal property. I'm still on the road system.

Here is a rule of thumb: If you cannot fence it, then you do not own it.
     
    04-15-2012, 10:30 AM
  #54
Green Broke
You at least have to giver her some credit for talking to you directly about her concerns which she has the right to do instead of calling the law or something.
I would offer an aplogy for loosing your temper and that you will talk to the kids and respect her wishes.
     
    04-15-2012, 10:39 AM
  #55
Yearling
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Here is a rule of thumb: If you cannot fence it, then you do not own it.
I tried that same argument with the highway dept when I wanted to fence some land along the hwy (it's an easement here). According to my title and plot I own it. I pay taxes on that frontage. And I was willing to leave 8 feet of shoulder between my fence and the edge of the road in case someone gets a flat tire . (I wasn't asking for all of it , just wanted to squeeze in more grazing area). I was told I could plant up closer to the highway (forgot the distance, but it was good bit closer), but I could not put in a physical barrier AND anything I planted could be subject to destruction if needed (that person is worried about a little grass????.... you see people's tree tops cut out because of power lines running through an easement and you should see it if you live close to town and they want to run water mains or underground cables to a new development....they don't leave it like they found it). I may own it, but I don't really have control of it.
So 17.5 feet of cenerline it was. I actually made it 17' 7" just to make sure I wouldn't have to take down the fence and move it afterwards if my measurements weren't exact .
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    04-15-2012, 11:16 AM
  #56
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
I tried that same argument with the highway dept when I wanted to fence some land along the hwy (it's an easement here). According to my title and plot I own it. I pay taxes on that frontage. And I was willing to leave 8 feet of shoulder between my fence and the edge of the road in case someone gets a flat tire . (I wasn't asking for all of it , just wanted to squeeze in more grazing area). I was told I could plant up closer to the highway (forgot the distance, but it was good bit closer), but I could not put in a physical barrier AND anything I planted could be subject to destruction if needed (that person is worried about a little grass????.... you see people's tree tops cut out because of power lines running through an easement and you should see it if you live close to town and they want to run water mains or underground cables to a new development....they don't leave it like they found it). I may own it, but I don't really have control of it.
So 17.5 feet of cenerline it was. I actually made it 17' 7" just to make sure I wouldn't have to take down the fence and move it afterwards if my measurements weren't exact .
That brings up a statement my dad made 30yrs ago and I still haven't forgotten it.

We don't actually own land, we pay the state for the privilege of taking care of state land.
     
    04-15-2012, 11:56 AM
  #57
Weanling
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
You at least have to giver her some credit for talking to you directly about her concerns which she has the right to do instead of calling the law or something.
I would offer an aplogy for loosing your temper and that you will talk to the kids and respect her wishes.

I am not going to apologize, and if she had come, say the day of or the day after and explained her position, I wouldn't have even posted this. She came a week later no one had rode on the road since and when she started off, I tried to tell her that we were under the impression that it was state owned, then she started with the I'm going to get the county attorney on you. I found her to be intolerable by that point.

I wished I had handled it the way my husband would have, let her vent not say anything till she ran out of steam then wished her a good day and carried on with how I was going to ride off my property based on the law. My husband rule of thumb was she was looking for a fight, don't give it to her and she will leave more disappointed then when she came.

Some people think I'm a bad neighbor but when the church moved in next door and couldn't access their land we let them drive over our lawn to get to it, she on the other hand inacted a law where if a business moves next door to you they have to plant a tree screen, so the church had to go out and buy 20 white pines to place between their property and hers. I guess she doesn't know that when they reach full maturity the pine needles will kill some of her grass and pine combs will litter her yard.

My husband runs a free petting zoo here on the weekends for families and kids, some kids have never touched a baby chicken or felt the wool on a sheep. We have emus and a llama and have people on our lawn parking all the time. They bring their lawn mowers up here so my husband can fix them, hell one of our neighbors asked if she could borrow our truck to go get mulch and her exact words were, "our friends have newer trucks and don't want them to get messy" lol and we let them borrow it. So all you preachy souls out there, you don't have to worry that I don't look after people and their needs.
     
    04-15-2012, 12:00 PM
  #58
Weanling
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
You at least have to giver her some credit for talking to you directly about her concerns which she has the right to do instead of calling the law or something.
I would offer an aplogy for loosing your temper and that you will talk to the kids and respect her wishes.
If she had called the law, they would have set her straight about it, it's not her property. I would rather she called the law, I wouldn't have known anything about this.
     
    04-15-2012, 01:21 PM
  #59
Weanling
On most roads where I am, the "easement" is not distinguishable from yards along the road. In the few instances that I have ridden on a road (to get to connecting trails) I felt awful if I had to get off of the road and onto someone's lawn. We always listened carefully to hear oncoming traffic, and if possible tried to go into a paved area instead of grass. IMHO ride on the road, not from lawn to lawn. Emergencies excluded, lawn hopping is not very polite.
     

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