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    06-21-2012, 08:09 PM
  #11
Trained
If his style isn't doing it for you change.
But, sometimes a jerk like this is exactly what a person needs to drive them to success. I like the jerks. Especially the really talented ones. Nothing makes me fight more than an instructor that ignores me. I'm going to demand their respect and eventually kick their butt in competition.

I would tell him your goals, not his faults and let him know that you are serious.
The only thing I'd have a problem with is training others when you are paying for individual lessons. Hand him a $20 the next time he does it.
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    06-21-2012, 08:26 PM
  #12
Trained
One other thing,
If he's yelling at you for not doing something right, haul the horse over there and demand that he show you. Engage his ego.
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    06-21-2012, 09:05 PM
  #13
Foal
A) If you are paying him for one on one instruction than it needs to be a private lesson- no cell, no friends, no other students. If he doesn't have his entire attention on YOU then it isn't fair for him to ask full price. $50 is a lot of money to waste on him not doing what he is supposed to be-which is teaching you!

B) I have found that if you aren't understanding something, the instructor is getting frustrated, and starting to yell at you that the problem isn't generally with you. The problem is generally the instructor.

The instructor's job is to TEACH you how to do something. If you are repeatedly not getting what he is trying to teach you then he is teaching it wrong or teaching it badly.

I've had problems such as you describe in the past. I had an instructor who got continually more and more frustrated with my inability to learn what she was showing me. Lo and Behold- I switched to another barn with a new, different instructor and the new trainer had me doing it reasonably well in the first lesson we tried it.

If you aren't getting it with this guy then it is time to move on- especially if he is rude and not giving you his full attention! Don't be afraid to tell him that you are going to move around and try different things. If he isn't okay with that it's because he is worried you will find someone you like better.

C) I have to agree with what everyone else is saying- just because someone is good at something doesn't make them a good teacher. My dad is great at a lot of things. Ask him to show you how to do ANYTHING though and he will just do it himself because he can't teach.

Even if he IS a good teacher that doesn't mean his personality is going to suit you or that his teaching methods will suit you. This is something that is stressed in schools today- if one method of instruction isn't working then try another. Obviously this guy isn't working for you.

Every time I have had an instructor that was really good I knew it in the first lesson. Even when I wasn't sure because I doubted myself I knew it for sure by the 2nd lesson because we were progressing.

I wouldn't even give this guy a 2nd lesson. I would just call him and cancel and find another instructor. Granted I would do it so that I didn't burn any bridges.
     
    06-21-2012, 09:25 PM
  #14
Trained
As someone who has also recently made the switch to reining...and my BO (who used to coach a collegiate team, so she can really ride)both have similar experiences with our reining instructors. THey are both in separate states, but very talented and DO get results. However, we are constantly talking to ourselves and each other to keep our sanity. Mine is always on the phone or talking to someone else. It is hard enough to follow his instruction and hear what he is saying without him talking to someone else have the time. I get REALLY frustrated with it, and also am happy when one of the associate trainers is my instructor, even tho, they are typically also riding another horse at the same time. My Bo's trainer-is a man of few words, very literally. Tells her very little, but wants perfection. He is ALSO always on another horse. That is, after all, how they make most of their $$, training horses. Both of these are experiences on OUR horses, who are(mine is home now, so no more lessons right now either) in training, so we pay for that too. When I go and ride one of their horses, I seem to get better instruction. We are having a hard time understanding why it is so different from what we experienced in other disciplines, but I will say-it seems to be the way it is done, at least here in our area. Shoot-I just paid $175 for training at a show and all he did was tell me to lope more. Literally. BO and I both LOVE it, and are learning a ton, almost in spite of these guys.
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    06-24-2012, 01:33 AM
  #15
Foal
Well, I had another lesson with him today and I gave him "what fer." As we rode to the arena, I said, "So, who's teaching me today?" He pointed at himself. So I said, "Good. Because that's what I pay for. Is that a problem?" He said no.
As we continued on, I asked him if he liked teaching and he kind of paused. So I answered FOR him. I said, "I don't feel like you do." He explained that he has a hard time communicating effectively. So I gave him a few pointers (I used to teach guitar, so I understand that everyone learns differently). I explained my goals and that last lesson, he was a bit of a jerk (I used a worse word than that). He lightened up a bit after I knocked him down a notch or two. I think he needed that.
Much to my chagrin, he had two other students in the arena - but he was careful to extend the lesson time and give everyone very individualized attention. I prefer one-on-one instruction, but he's in high demand, so I'll give him one pass there. Every time he yelled out that I was doing something wrong, I'd trot over to him, stop and say, "Well, I have a question about that." And that seemed to work. I spent over two hours at the ranch and he only charged me for one hour, so I felt like I got my money's worth for today and that terrible lesson on Wednesday.

Now...he'll just have to keep proving to me why I hired him. I told him he was great today and that that's exactly what I need and expect. He learned that I'm not a wuss and that I DO have expectations...and I learned that he just sucks at communication!
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    06-24-2012, 02:28 PM
  #16
Foal
It's like the old saying, those who can do can't teach, those who can teach can't do. :) Kudos for putting him in his place. Good luck for keeping that going!
     

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