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        04-25-2012, 04:34 PM
      #21
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RoosHuman    
    Maybe you could vary the work you are doing in the arena by practicing it in an empty field. You would still be enclosed, but he may be more motivated. Just an idea. ;)
    Haha, well, we've been riding in the jump field lately instead of the arena. The arena no longer has jumps, they're all in the field, so that's what we've been doing. Maybe I should switch back to the arena!
         
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        04-27-2012, 09:51 PM
      #22
    Foal
    You need to get him to ride forward, trotting with a lot of push, stop all the transitions, stop with the backing, backing is not that important and I would not be working on it a lot, I just make sure my horse can do it and we are good. Even work on extended trot, canter, with push. He needs to know that he can't just poke around the ring, and needs to work forward. He may not be happy when you make him trot really forward, but you have to get him to do it, he will stop the backing up
         
        04-28-2012, 02:40 AM
      #23
    Foal
    Red face

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sarahkgamble    
    When he stops, he just stands there. He'll back up, I can turn his feet in circles, but he just doesn't want to go forward.

    I don't think he's buddy sour, he doesn't really have any horses he's particularly buddy-buddy with. He's actually kind of a loner. I think of him as his pasture mates' annoying little brother. :P

    Sounds exactly what my paint is doing now except his escalated into a complete melt down... He was burnt out from training! The day he had a melt down he tried to buck me off after I tried getting him to move forward... I do not use whips, crops, or spurs so I was using my leg only... he's very sensitive and over reacted. I got off and lunged him until he was sweating pretty bad then got back on and asked him to move forward again. I got a couple circles and backing up with pinned ears so I got off and lunged him again. I got back on and managed to get him to walk out of the ring and toward one of the many trails we ride on. Immediately, his head went down, he relaxed, softened, and started doing everything I asked but on the trail. I got a friend to follow me just in case... She went in front for a bit but she's kind of slow and he kept looking back at me as if he were asking to go faster. I moved him around to the front again and he just perked right up and looked so happy! I'm going to do a month of just trail riding but use it as more training such as teaching him to neck rein around the trees and backing up around obstacles to work on leg cues. I doubt he would figure out it's really training. Maybe try something like that on your horse. Go to different trail areas and just go for fun at first. Maybe a nice relaxed walk on a loose rein to take in the sights. A couple days later, ask him to do transitions say from one fence post to the 3rd one down or from one tree to another tree further away and make it a game. For example, you're walking up to your "marker" where you want your transition... see how many strides it takes him to transition. Get a good average for the week (say 4 strides). Next week see if you can get him down to 3, the next week 2, and so-on. Obviously don't ask for the same transition at the same spot. Always change it up. I even change up my dismounting spot. One day I might pick a specific tree. I will actually vocalize and say, "ok if you go to that rock without an argument, we're done for the day and I'll get off" (we have problems with him being pasture sour where, any time I want to go around the pasture to another trail from the one leading to the pasture, he always stops and fights with me thinking that it's where we need to stop so I can put him away). I change my dismount spot every time. It might be at the opposite end of the pasture, on the trail before we even make it to the pasture, down a different trail, a specific rock by the run-in shed, or at the back door of the old gooseneck trailer we use as a tack/feed/hay room. Another routine mix up I found is to get one of the 40" horse balls. Introduce it to your horse in hand so he's not scared of it. I started working with that kind of ball some months back and everything just started clicking for my horse! He started getting the hang of neck reining because I would only neck rein him to go after the ball (he's pretty much auto-pilot chasing it but I'd follow his movements with my rein hand...). He's also started to be able to do walk to lope transitions where he had no idea what I was asking previously. He really had to learn to move off his hind end because he was kicking the ball with his fronts. I noticed a wonderful increase in muscle since starting with the ball and also his gaits are much smoother, slower, and easier to sit!

    I hope some of these ideas help!
         
        04-28-2012, 02:56 AM
      #24
    Foal
    By the way.. here's a video of my horse and his ball. No I'm not using reins for most of this. You'll see them at my sides. I'm not the best rider in the world either (never had professional lessons just learned to ride at a hack farm where they let you go out on your own for an hour anywhere on their 80+ acres)

         
        04-28-2012, 09:05 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    Thanks for the ideas!

    Shamrock has so much personality and is so curious, I wonder if the ball might be fun for him too! Your horse certainly seems to enjoy it. :)

    As for the trails, I normally ride alone and I'm confused as to whether I'm allowed to go out by myself. Other people go out alone, but I always thought the rule was that you can't. Whenever I take him on trails with other horses, he acts up a lot worse than if I just go out with him (I've done it a few times). The other day we rode with 2 girls to some new trails we just got put in and he was a mess, head tossing, prancing, etc. so I had to turn him back. However, I should've known better than to take him out on the trails that day.. The dogs went with us, which he hates. It was super windy, which freaks him out when in the trees. I just hopped on him and went, without working out some energy first. And it was my first time taking him over there. Maybe we'll try again under better circumstances. I'm spending all day out at the barn today, so we'll see. :)
         
        04-28-2012, 09:55 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    The ball thing looks like so much fun, I have one and I leave it in the field but I've never tried that. I'm going to give that a try.
         
        04-28-2012, 10:42 AM
      #27
    Weanling
    Have you had his feet done recently?

    This kind of sounds to me like he might be in pain.
         
        04-28-2012, 07:45 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sarahkgamble    
    Thanks for the ideas!

    Shamrock has so much personality and is so curious, I wonder if the ball might be fun for him too! Your horse certainly seems to enjoy it. :)

    As for the trails, I normally ride alone and I'm confused as to whether I'm allowed to go out by myself. Other people go out alone, but I always thought the rule was that you can't. Whenever I take him on trails with other horses, he acts up a lot worse than if I just go out with him (I've done it a few times). The other day we rode with 2 girls to some new trails we just got put in and he was a mess, head tossing, prancing, etc. so I had to turn him back. However, I should've known better than to take him out on the trails that day.. The dogs went with us, which he hates. It was super windy, which freaks him out when in the trees. I just hopped on him and went, without working out some energy first. And it was my first time taking him over there. Maybe we'll try again under better circumstances. I'm spending all day out at the barn today, so we'll see. :)
    I actually just rode alone myself today. I just carry my cell phone with me. I'm diabetic so I had that tattooed on my arm just in case and I carry medical info in a wallet with a chain attached (so I don't lose it on the trail like I've done before)
         
        04-28-2012, 09:29 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shasta1981    
    Have you had his feet done recently?

    This kind of sounds to me like he might be in pain.
    No, they got done a couple of weeks ago.

    If it were pain, he'd be off in his trot. He's been like that before if ridden a day or so after getting his feet done or just from stomping flies sometimes. It's really just him being too smart or trying to get out of working. He's fine walking once we've trotted or cantered some and on trails he's fine too.
         
        04-28-2012, 09:32 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sirgalahadkem    
    I actually just rode alone myself today. I just carry my cell phone with me. I'm diabetic so I had that tattooed on my arm just in case and I carry medical info in a wallet with a chain attached (so I don't lose it on the trail like I've done before)
    After playing and jumping in the jump field some, I got my boyfriend and his friend to walk out on the trails with me. We just had some new ones cut and he didn't do so good on them the other day, but my boyfriend wanted to take them, so we went and Shamrock was awesome! He loved the trails, we even got to do some trotting. He's SO much better when we're not with other horses.. which is weird, since horses are herd animals.

    I'll go out alone sometimes, but I make sure to either have my phone on me or tell my boyfriend I'm going and to watch out for Shamrock coming back without me on him or to come look for me if I'm gone too long. Shamrock has a tendency to stop if you fall off and come back to you, so it'd probably be like a life or death situation in his eyes for him to abandon me in the woods and run to the barn.
         

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