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post #1 of 7 Old 04-16-2012, 03:15 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy outlines

there is a pony that i ride who i want to start bringing into an outline, but because of her size she is mostly riden by beginers, so she has gotten out of habit and i can only get her to bring her nose in slightly, please help!!
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post #2 of 7 Old 04-16-2012, 04:32 AM
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*sigh* I really wish people wouldn't think of it as an outline. There is a huge factor that defines if the horse is working properly or not.

It's back.

If the back (spine) is rounded up and engaged, the head will follow. YOU cannot yank the horse into a frame or an outline or however you want to call it.

You use your body to PUSH the horse (or pony in this case) into the bridle, use half halts to balance, lots of transitions, and then eventually the horse (again, pony) will use its back properly.

Since the pony is being ridden by beginners who don't understand how to get the horse into its proper working state (back rounded and engaged, not stiff in the neck or poll) then it's going to be tougher to communicate it to the horse because it will keep coming undone.

But continue to try and get that pony working properly!

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there is a pony that i ride who i want to start bringing into an outline, but because of her size she is mostly riden by beginers, so she has gotten out of habit and i can only get her to bring her nose in slightly, please help!!

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post #3 of 7 Old 04-16-2012, 06:56 AM
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Well said sky.
An outline comes from behind, if you jam the head in you will end up with a false outline and the horse dropping behind the bit to evade.

RIDE your horse FORWARDS and keep him STRAIGHT

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*sigh* I really wish people wouldn't think of it as an outline. There is a huge factor that defines if the horse is working properly or not.

It's back.

If the back (spine) is rounded up and engaged, the head will follow. YOU cannot yank the horse into a frame or an outline or however you want to call it.

You use your body to PUSH the horse (or pony in this case) into the bridle, use half halts to balance, lots of transitions, and then eventually the horse (again, pony) will use its back properly.

Since the pony is being ridden by beginners who don't understand how to get the horse into its proper working state (back rounded and engaged, not stiff in the neck or poll) then it's going to be tougher to communicate it to the horse because it will keep coming undone.

But continue to try and get that pony working properly!
yeah um i dont think ive frased it quiet right, but i know how to ask to get it properly, its just thats the only word i have for it any way thankyou for the tips, also what is the acctual word for it, and i only mentioned the nose thing because she tends to star gaze.
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I usually say "working properly" or "working from behind", but they're just components of the final package. Collection, frame and outline are all good tems but sadly overused. My instructor says "come down" and I've heard "come round" too, but my horse already has a solid grounding with it, even if I don't.

Whatever you call it, I'm still learning to do it myself so I cant really help, but where in the process of collecting her are you coming up against the problem? Maybe that would help some of the more experienced here to give a proper answer.

Please excuse my spelling/grammar mistakes, I'm British.

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It's not just about asking, she has to re-learn it. It's a lot of work and since she's been able to sneak out of it for so long with beginners, she may need some convincing to get back to it. Make sense?

Which is exactly what I said before. You need her forward and you need her to take that bit and soften with it and she needs to engage her own back but you can help her by doing lots of transitions, figured, and half halts to re-balance.

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yeah um i dont think ive frased it quiet right, but i know how to ask to get it properly, its just thats the only word i have for it any way thankyou for the tips, also what is the acctual word for it, and i only mentioned the nose thing because she tends to star gaze.

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It's not just about asking, she has to re-learn it. It's a lot of work and since she's been able to sneak out of it for so long with beginners, she may need some convincing to get back to it. Make sense?

Which is exactly what I said before. You need her forward and you need her to take that bit and soften with it and she needs to engage her own back but you can help her by doing lots of transitions, figured, and half halts to re-balance.
ok thankyou, I'l work on it, i discoverd why she used to stargaze, it was because she can be strong with beginers, so they have too short reins, so she got into a habit of pokeing her nose out and whenever you slightly shorten your reins she thinks your going to do this, but now that she has realized that im not going to hurt her mouth, she dosnt avade the bit so much, thankyou soooo much
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I'l let you know how i get on
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