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    03-21-2012, 11:49 PM
  #1
Weanling
Paint gelding veers off fence - HELP!

I purchased a gelding last week. I have been looking at him for over eight months, and decided I could handle him well. Everyone who sees me riding him says that we look really good together (he's the horse in my avatar). But, this Monday I was riding him in the round pen.
Normally, he does pretty well with direction, but on Monday he seemed to be veering off of the sides of the round pen into a tight circle. Granted, I was using his rope halter and one rein as a bridle. Could this be it? Is he just adjusting to the different method of cuing him?
He also does not like to move forward. He like to eat. I know that he has a lot of "go" in him, but he simply doesn't want to. I am practicing Natural Horsemanship, so would it be considered cheating if I used a crop to help him pay attention? He hated it when I would (foolishly) slap his butt with my hand to encourage forward motion, so I am not sure how he would react to a light tap on the shoulder whenever he isn't listening? Or do I just need to spend more time riding him? He isn't ridden nearly enough. Before I purchased him, he was getting ridden once a week AT BEST, and I was not the person riding him most of the time. There are two other people I know who would ride him: His previous owner (and she is much better than I am), and one of the barn hands (also my friend who's name I keep forgetting). The barn hand is greener than I am, so I'm worried if he is the cause of some of Winchester's (my horse) bad habits and uncertainty. Of course, I must not be helping much either, but at least I own him and have a right to ride him whenever. ^^

Anyways, what do you think I should do?

Also, he used to be ridden in a snaffle bit, but I am switching things up a little. I ordered a riding halter from www.crazyropes.ca, for only $24. It's cheap, and it may break, but it's worth a try, eh? Winny is also chomping at the bit and pulling at it. He did none of that when I was riding him in his halter. I also aim to train him for trail rides. But I have a question about that: Is is okay to ride a trail in a squeaky English saddle? The squeaks don't bother Winny, but it's the English part I'm worried about. I've never seen a horse being ridden on a trail in an English saddle.

Anyways, do your best to answer my questions! I could really use the help!
     
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    03-22-2012, 11:49 PM
  #2
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Ripplewind    
I purchased a gelding last week. I have been looking at him for over eight months, and decided I could handle him well. Everyone who sees me riding him says that we look really good together (he's the horse in my avatar). But, this Monday I was riding him in the round pen.
Normally, he does pretty well with direction, but on Monday he seemed to be veering off of the sides of the round pen into a tight circle. Granted, I was using his rope halter and one rein as a bridle. Could this be it? Is he just adjusting to the different method of cuing him?
He also does not like to move forward. He like to eat. I know that he has a lot of "go" in him, but he simply doesn't want to. I am practicing Natural Horsemanship, so would it be considered cheating if I used a crop to help him pay attention? He hated it when I would (foolishly) slap his butt with my hand to encourage forward motion, so I am not sure how he would react to a light tap on the shoulder whenever he isn't listening? Or do I just need to spend more time riding him? He isn't ridden nearly enough. Before I purchased him, he was getting ridden once a week AT BEST, and I was not the person riding him most of the time. There are two other people I know who would ride him: His previous owner (and she is much better than I am), and one of the barn hands (also my friend who's name I keep forgetting). The barn hand is greener than I am, so I'm worried if he is the cause of some of Winchester's (my horse) bad habits and uncertainty. Of course, I must not be helping much either, but at least I own him and have a right to ride him whenever. ^^

Anyways, what do you think I should do?

Also, he used to be ridden in a snaffle bit, but I am switching things up a little. I ordered a riding halter from www.crazyropes.ca, for only $24. It's cheap, and it may break, but it's worth a try, eh? Winny is also chomping at the bit and pulling at it. He did none of that when I was riding him in his halter. I also aim to train him for trail rides. But I have a question about that: Is is okay to ride a trail in a squeaky English saddle? The squeaks don't bother Winny, but it's the English part I'm worried about. I've never seen a horse being ridden on a trail in an English saddle.

Anyways, do your best to answer my questions! I could really use the help!

Sounds like you have 3 main issues: 1. Horse balks 2. Horse moves off railing 3. He's resisting the bit.

These are all connected. First things first, a horse that throws his head and resists a bit needs his teeth checked. Once that is cleared, you need to work on pressure and release with him. You said you use natural horsemanship, so this should be easy for you. The rail problem can be resolved with simple inside leg pressure. Teach him to respond to that pressure and move over. Pressure and release is key. This can be done on the ground or under saddle (preferably start on the ground if he doesn't know to flex and give to pressure already). Resisting a bit is also a pressure and release problem, so "start over" with him by asking for a simple head flex. When he even TRIES to move his head,release the pressure. Once he is light with that, ask for further movement, and so on. Pretty soon you will have a light turn on a slight amount of pressure. That will help set the stage to fix his bit avoidance problem. (You can also do that in a rope halter).

The not moving forward, or balking, problem is probably rooted in stubbornness. So, out stubborn him. When he refuses to move forward, keep his head pointed in the direction you want to go. Ask, lightly, for a move forward. If that doesn't work, ask more harshly. If that doesn't work, consider a tap with a crop or the reins. Pressure and release, again, is key. If he takes one step, release pressure and praise him. It is important, if he tries to duck out or back up, to keep him pointed in the correct direction and be stubborn. It may take an hour, but he will eventually cave in and do what you want. I am guessing he is like my gelding when I first started riding him, knows exactly what you want but is testing you to see if he really has to listen.
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    03-23-2012, 01:13 PM
  #3
Foal
Rule out pain, and get his respect. Don't baby him, you are the leader.
     
    03-23-2012, 03:19 PM
  #4
Showing
When riding with a single rope it can change how he receives the signal. When you pull back to control speed he may think you are neckreining him. Go easy on riding in the roundpen. It gets boring quickly for the horse - mindless circles to him.
     
    03-23-2012, 04:05 PM
  #5
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I'm curious why you are changing it up? My geuss is, he's used to being steered by rein rather than leg. You took away the snaffle and the direct rein and so now he needs to rely on leg pressure and it sounds like he doesn't have that down. You'll have to start "over"....
     
    03-23-2012, 04:29 PM
  #6
Foal
[QUOTE=R But I have a question about that: Is is okay to ride a trail in a squeaky English saddle? The squeaks don't bother Winny, but it's the English part I'm worried about. I've never seen a horse being ridden on a trail in an English saddle.

QUOTE]

Heyy just to help you with this question, it is fine to do trail riding in a english saddle, last year I was on a trail ride (6-7 hours long) , and we were in english saddles, it didn't bother the horses in the slightest; i'd just say check your tack fits good before going on one, so he doesn't end up sore.
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    03-25-2012, 03:44 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by farmpony84    
I'm curious why you are changing it up? My geuss is, he's used to being steered by rein rather than leg. You took away the snaffle and the direct rein and so now he needs to rely on leg pressure and it sounds like he doesn't have that down. You'll have to start "over"....
Actually, he is used to leg pressure. I can steer him for about thirty seconds with only my legs, but I'm not very good at it, so it doesn't last long. But he is a very versatile horse. He actually used to be training for barrel racing, but one day he decided to go over a jump instead. He loves to jump. I'll run beside him over logs and jumps whenever I get the chance. His ears prick forward and he looks like the happiest horse in the world.
     
    03-25-2012, 03:46 PM
  #8
Weanling
[quote=ilovemyponies;1421129]
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Originally Posted by R But I have a question about that: Is is okay to ride a trail in a squeaky English saddle? The squeaks don't bother Winny, but it's the English part I'm worried about. I've never seen a horse being ridden on a trail in an English saddle.

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Heyy just to help you with this question, it is fine to do trail riding in a english saddle, last year I was on a trail ride (6-7 hours long) , and we were in english saddles, it didn't bother the horses in the slightest; i'd just say check your tack fits good before going on one, so he doesn't end up sore.
Thanks! I'm not riding him on the trails yet, because he still spooks at birds and dogs, so I'm working on de-sensitizing him. We've made good progress, too. I can blind fold him now with only a few small head tosses, instead of the usual protesting fit he throws. Hopefully there will never be an emergency where I'll have to blind fold him for his safety, but at least we'll both be prepared should such a thing ever happen.
     

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