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        06-28-2011, 10:21 PM
      #31
    Showing
    DSJ, I don't think anyone here even knows what your point is anymore. I think we're all agreeing to basically the same thing:
    Horses get screwed up. Horses can experience anxiety. A lot of horse issues are caused by humans, though I must write a disclaimer that some horses truly are screwed up due to some other force of nature (i.e. Tumor, misfiring neurons.)
    A lot of horses can be fixed. Some cannot. You said so yourself that 80% was a good percentage of horses that can be fixed. What about the other 20% though? What about the 20% that your own proclaimed professionals can't fix? 20% is a significant number. If 20% of most cases cannot be fixed by professionals.... what then? What are non-pros supposed to do?
    I don't understand what you're arguing here... Can you please clarify??
    I really really think that you might want to take a step back here and realize that NOBODY is saying that horses can't get screwed up - the big fight stemmed from the suggestion that people (no matter their experience level) should never sell a problem horse; they should stick with it even if they can't do a darn thing with the animal, because the person made a commitment when they bought the horse.
         
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        06-28-2011, 10:21 PM
      #32
    Foal
    Training methods for horses: habituation to a frig... [Equine Vet J. 2006] - PubMed result

    "
    HYPOTHESES:

    1) Horses are able to generalise about the test stimulus such that, once familiar with the test stimulus in one situation, it appears less frightening and elicits a reduced response even when the stimulus intensity is increased or the stimulus is presented differently;"

    This disproves the first video, if indeed the horse had been worked with multiple times with the lariat. Even twice or three times should be enough for a horse to have a LESSOR reaction to a stimulus. This horse is still peeing out of fear (which, is NOT a "relieving of anxiety". There is no, or VERY few, creatures that urinating themselves means "I am relaxing". Perhaps deficating, but not urinating. Especially in a prey animal. Urine produces a scent, scents attract predators.) This horse should not have had the extreme reaction to the lariat if he had been worked with it previously.
         
        06-28-2011, 10:26 PM
      #33
    Trained
    I am READING. I didn't learn anything from that abstract. It's pretty common knowledge. My question is what you are trying to prove in this thread other than how ignorant we are.

    So instead of calling me ignorant, you could answer my question of what your hypothesis is in this case. There's been so much ranting and yelling, that it's been sort of lost.

    As JDI I said, and I agree with her, I think your point has been loss in your frustration.
         
        06-28-2011, 10:30 PM
      #34
    Banned
    I've owned an honest to goodness aggressive horse. Not some hot head who liked to kick or your run of the mill fear rearer. I am talking about a don't turn your back on him, God help you if you try to get in his stall with him, Heaven forbid you were to fall off of him while riding, horse. I would have challenged anyone, your heros or not, to come try to change that horse. If they didn't get killed trying, they would have packed their things the first time he came charging from across the field. I did what was right for him and had his misery ended before he could hurt someone.

    Theres an 'off topic' shift for you. If you encountered a horse with real, honest to Chrysler aggression where anything with breath in 100 feet of that horse was in danger, would you have him put down? Or try to convince him with studies and lurve?
         
        06-28-2011, 10:42 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    If a horse is that dangerous, he should be humanely put down. I feel the same way about aggressive dogs. A human's life especially a child's life is worth more. I'm sorry if that makes me a bad person.
         
        06-28-2011, 10:49 PM
      #36
    Banned
    I am with you on that fly.

    Doesn't that negate your 'you are just feeding the slaughter houses with 'bad' horses' theory DJS? Responsible owners will have a truly aggressive horse euthed...based on my short little study here.
         
        06-28-2011, 11:00 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flytobecat    
    If a horse is that dangerous, he should be humanely put down. I feel the same way about aggressive dogs. A human's life especially a child's life is worth more. I'm sorry if that makes me a bad person.
    This. And it doesn't make you a bad person fly, it makes you a responsible person.
         
        06-28-2011, 11:11 PM
      #38
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by flytobecat    
    If a horse is that dangerous, he should be humanely put down. I feel the same way about aggressive dogs. A human's life especially a child's life is worth more. I'm sorry if that makes me a bad person.
    Gets my vote, with the current huge overpopulation of horses there are so many who need loving homes, I'd rather we spent our energies on those who are not dangerous.
         
        06-28-2011, 11:51 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    I read in in someones post closer to the beginning.... INSANITY- doing the same thing expecting different results.


    I would rather be blistfully ignorant than obviously insane.
         
        06-29-2011, 12:01 AM
      #40
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jake and Dai    
    I agree with NHRA, and I don't think anyone disagrees that there are ways to fix a lot of dominate behaviors that are natural to horses.

    What I personally believe is that there is no one way, nor that any horse can be 'fixed' by any person. I certainly don't have the skills, knowledge or experience to 'cure' a horse of, say, rearing under saddle.

    Does that make me a bad person or someone who doesn't love their horses? I don't think so. I just recognize my limitations.

    And if I could not afford to get the best professional help possible, then heck yeah I'd sell my horse!

    I don't really understand what you think, DS, we don't understand.
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    DSJ, I don't think anyone here even knows what your point is anymore. I think we're all agreeing to basically the same thing:
    Horses get screwed up. Horses can experience anxiety. A lot of horse issues are caused by humans, though I must write a disclaimer that some horses truly are screwed up due to some other force of nature (i.e. Tumor, misfiring neurons.)
    A lot of horses can be fixed. Some cannot. You said so yourself that 80% was a good percentage of horses that can be fixed. What about the other 20% though? What about the 20% that your own proclaimed professionals can't fix? 20% is a significant number. If 20% of most cases cannot be fixed by professionals.... what then? What are non-pros supposed to do?
    I don't understand what you're arguing here... Can you please clarify??
    I really really think that you might want to take a step back here and realize that NOBODY is saying that horses can't get screwed up - the big fight stemmed from the suggestion that people (no matter their experience level) should never sell a problem horse; they should stick with it even if they can't do a darn thing with the animal, because the person made a commitment when they bought the horse.
    In both of these posts, points were clearly laid out as to the relevence of this argument, yet there has been no answer from DSJ. Again, proving that you will not listen to any reasoning, nor will you succumb to the fact that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. WE HAVE ALL AGREED WITH YOU ABOUT TRAINING!!! The only point not agreed apon, as stated by JDI, was that most people agree its ok for the girl to sell her horse IF NEED BE and you did not. This part has NOTHING to do with facts. This is all opinion, and actually no matter who's opinion might be the "better" one, the only opinion that matters is the owner of the horse and the decision about the situation is COMPLETLEY HERS!

    So why is there ANOTHER pointless thread about this?
         

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