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    04-30-2010, 05:24 PM
"each stride is more like footfoot footfoot footfoot footfoot, instead of feet feet feet feet?"

This just made me giggle for some reason! :)
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    04-30-2010, 05:25 PM
^^ Me too. LOL
    04-30-2010, 08:25 PM
Yep I stand corrected about her shoulder, now that you've put the confo shot up it looks like it has a good slope to it.

The reason she's less bouncy when you slow her right down so she's not tracking up, is that she's dragging her feet along and so there is barely any motion in her back and no 'bounce' in the gait. You can sit trot any horse is you pull them back to almost a walk ;)

I would say when you ride her, even if she's not on the forehand (I haven't seen any photos sorry!) she's probably got a very stiff and possible hollow back thus is working entirely from her legs rather than using her whole body. You can equate that to sitting on an ironing board down a rocky slope if your horse is naturally bouncy! Some horses of course, are just not bouncy, often they're the ones will less movement in the joints, so horses that have fairly 'straight' legs in their gaits will be easier to sit on as there is not so much movement being carried into their back by the gait. I bet most people would sit to struggle a dressage horse that is entirely collected and in piaffe. It may look lovely and easy to sit on, but the bounce in the movement is very strong and can throw you out of the saddle if you're not able to sit trot effectively.

Just to sum it up, I would certainly say her bouncyness if from her just being a 'bouncy' horse. As smrobs said, she's short and steep in the pasterns, and arab breeding so she's probably just going to be a bouncy horse. When a horse is so naturally bouncy in trot, you can never make her smooth, instead you have to learn how to sit trot her and absorb the impact. It will help for her to be able to learn to swing her back and carry you rather than travel all legs, but that would require a reasonable dressage coach and you to have a basic understanding of how engagement works. Which is another thread altogether!
    05-01-2010, 03:31 PM
I'm not positive about this, but I think you're talking about Diagonal Advanced Placement, which some people consider a very GOOD thing for dressage horses, because it means he's uphill. It's in the breeding, I think.
    05-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I'll see if I can explain this so it's understandable. There are a few reasons horses are bouncy. Some of which have already been stated so I won't go into them. The one that was missed (as far as I could see, may be wrong though) is when the horse is not connected with the ground. I have two horses that I can example, unfortunatly I don't have pics of them trotting.

The first is an Arab gelding, very uncomfortable even when he is jogging slow. The second is a Morgan gelding, very comfortable even when long trotting or trotting fast.

The arab looks just like Onyx when he is trotting. He doesn't stay connected to the ground. What happens is that when he does hit the ground with his feet it is more jarring. The impact travels up the legs and straight to the rider. He also extends his front legs farther then a horse that doesn't leave the ground. This makes him more flat footed when he does put his feet down, which again makes the ride bumpier. This trot looks really pretty but is very hard to sit.

Now take the morgan. He is built very similar to the arab and can trot just as fast. He has two feet on the ground at all times while trotting. This allows him to place his feet more softly, he doesn't have the momentum that gravity adds. He carries himself really well through his back which actually helps to soften his stride as it acts more like a spring suspention. He doesn't over extend his front legs and keeps his back feet closer to the ground when they are in the air. This allows him to almost glide, which is very comfortable. He also does the high stepping front feet (which is a breed thing I'm told). He does this when he is so spunky that he doesn't want to walk. It is really slow but that's not why it's comfortable (he has done it fast to and it is just the same as when he is slow). It is comfortable because he isn't completely off the ground at any point, which allows him to place his feet without "landing".

Now I know some people may not agree with me on this one but bear with me while I explain. The canter is a very bouncy gait. Yes I know it is the easiest to sit but think about it. When the horse lands they connect with the ground quite hard. The only reason it is easy to sit and is comfortable is because of the way the canter makes us move with the horse. It starts at the back and rolls to the front. It isn't two sides of the horse landing at the same time (unless they are cross leading). It is smooth in that they simulate a rocking chair. But if you aren't landing and moving with the horse you can be slammed out of the saddle or hit their back hard and it hurts.

So my point is, after a huge length, that gravety adds to the impact in the trot when the horse isn't connected to the ground at all times. Which leads the trot to be bouncier.
    05-04-2010, 04:18 PM
The trot is a diagonal stride that has a moment of suspension. In its purest, the legs work exactly together, and the horse should leave the ground in between strides. What I see as most bouncy is due to stiff joints, and/or merely big movements, which a rider must learn to ride. I have a little horse you can't even post to, she's so smooth: it's because she only moves her legs without flexing anything else. I think she's stiff; but my vet says he feels that's just the way she's made.
    05-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Good explaination, Silvera.
    05-04-2010, 08:23 PM
^^ Thanks, I know what I want to say but sometimes it doesn't come out right when I'm typing. My brain goes to fast for my fingers sometimes lol. It's good to know that it was understandable.
    05-05-2010, 03:31 AM
^ Yes, I found your post very informative and enjoyed learning something new. :)
    05-07-2010, 01:50 AM
I know what ur talking about this is ozzie, he's got a very flat smooth trot this is the trot you are hoping for??

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