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    03-08-2010, 11:19 AM
Unhappy Report them? (Long)

I was visiting my brother in Florida and he wanted to go riding. We found a place near his house that was taking donations for long trail rides on their rescued horses. When I spoke to the girl on the phone (lets call her Jane), she really seemed to love the horses, and sounded very dedicated.

When I got there, the paddocks had a lot of garbage in them. No shelter for the horses from the sun, except one tree in one of the two paddocks.

The horse they tried to put me on had a wither problem (looked like 2 humps, I've never seen that before), the lady who tacked her refused to use extra padding, her front left leg was swollen, and they shot her up with bute after she had been tacked. She was a mid-twenties OTTB that hadn't been ridden in a month. Needless to say, I didn't get on. I walked her down the road to let her graze for a bit, her left front leg was dragging on the ground (prob a shoulder injury too).

The horse my brother rode couldn't be bridled until my brother was sitting on him (he takes the bridle off), and was just a really dangerous horse to ride. He and Jane's friend left to ride, and my brother said they did full speed gallops 5 or 6 times, and the horse kept dropping his head while running. It sounded so dangerous.

I don't know what the laws are in Florida, and although Jane seemed to have good intentions, I have no idea of knowing if any of these decisions were hers (she wasn't there).

They advertise that they have beginner safe horses and they bring some of these horses to do Pony Parties for kids.

I think I'm going to report them, but I'm not sure if they're technically breaking any laws. I'd hate to see that poor old girl being ridden by someone and being in even more pain.

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    03-08-2010, 11:25 AM
You live in NY and this was in FL? How long ago did this occur?

I'm not thinking AC in FL is going to give an out of stater much time, especially if the suspected abuse wasn't reported right away.

You can report them of course, but it would help tremendously if someone who lives there will also do the same.
    03-08-2010, 11:27 AM
Green Broke
Did you get any photographic evidence? I only ask because a lot of the time animal welfare won't step in without any evidence of the abuse/neglect/mistreatment.

It sounds a bit like 'Jane' got in a bit over her head as far as rescues go. Taking 'donations' from the public to ride injured/untrained horses sounds a little shonky to me.

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I would say give animal welfare a call and explain the situation and ask if there is anything they can do? Can your brother go back and get photos if needed?
    03-08-2010, 11:32 AM
I'm sure my brother can go back and get photos, that shouldn't be an issue (well, except for the trespassing part). This happened about a week ago.
    03-08-2010, 11:36 AM
AC doesn't need photos to investigate, and if your brother is caught trespassing he could be arrested and charged with a crime.

Once a complaint is lodged, AC is required by law to check out the facility.

Of course, depending on FL state law, they may not be able to make a case for abuse/neglect.

Saying you were given a lame horse to ride is hearsay. Unless the AC sees actual lame horses tacked up and ready to go, that's not a verifiable offense.

If the horses have food, water, and access to fairly safe environs, the law may state that's all they need. Shelters are not mandatory in many states. With FL being a temperate state, I'd venture a guess they're not required by law.

Yes, if you see or suspect abuse/neglect, the best thing to do is alert AC. However, depending on the laws of the area, they may not be able to do anything.
    03-08-2010, 11:38 AM
Thats exactly what I was thinking. The law may say that they're not doing anything wrong.
    03-08-2010, 11:41 AM
And if that's the case, then the horses stay where they are.

It may stink, but if the animals are being given the basics and don't appear to be starving or neglected, they may be better off where they are.

Rescues are full to bursting, and a lot of horses are being abandoned to fend for themselves. Which mean they starve to death, or get fatally injured in a short period of time.
    03-08-2010, 11:42 AM
Green Broke
Haha I wasn't suggesting trespassing! More a subtle "i wanna go for a ride but get some pictures of me on horseback"

I'm in australia so maybe things are different, but I know here that an untreated injury is classified as neglect and will create a case with the RSPCA, however the issue really is proving that the untreated injury exists in the first place.
    03-08-2010, 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by HowClever    
haha I wasn't suggesting trespassing! More a subtle "i wanna go for a ride but get some pictures of me on horseback"
I figured that, the thought of him sneaking out there to take pictures actually made me laugh.
    03-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Green Broke
Haha its something rescue operations over here do whenever they need photos (i did the training to become an officer for one of them)

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