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        07-26-2013, 03:00 AM
      #1
    Weanling
    Sam squealed when I kicked him! :/

    I was riding tonight and he had been really resistant to bending and kept trying to cut corners. I tried (as I'd been trying the whole time I'd been riding) to get him back over to the rail with leg pressure and reins, and finally when he dropped in on a corner I gave him a fairly big kick with my inside leg, and he let out a little squeal. Quiet, but I'm pretty sure it was a squeal. I wasn't wearing spurs and was riding in sneakers, plus my "big kicks" are pretty mild. There's no way it should have hurt him.

    So my question is do you think there's something wrong with him that's giving him pain in his barrel, or might he have squealed in bratty protest? I got off and felt his sides and he didn't react. I've never heard a horse squeal like that in reaction to anything done by a person, and I felt really awful. :(

    (PS, I'm having a vet come out for a checkup next week anyway, but I wanted to see what you all thought because if it seems like there might be something wrong I won't ride him until he sees the vet)
         
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        07-26-2013, 03:42 AM
      #2
    Weanling
    Oh, another thing (I don't see an edit button). This is the first time I've given him a kick. I've had him a week and a half, and today was the fourth time I rode (I've been there every day, but sometimes I just lunged and sometimes just hung out with him).

    Like I said above, I got off immediately and felt his side, putting pressure all around the area my boot falls — no reaction, and he was calm. Is it possible he was startled? Or grumpy about the correction? Probably not, but I just really hope nothing is hurting him :(
         
        07-26-2013, 03:50 AM
      #3
    Started
    It sounds to me like he was being a brat. It COULD be something like ulcers, but then you would usually see other symptoms, and since there's really no way you could have hurt him (humans are weak in comparison, and wearing sneakers there wasn't anything to get a good 'boot' in with) and he didn't react to other (I'm assuming similar pressure) prodding, it sounds like bratty behaviour. If you're concerned I would bring it up with the vet, but I wouldn't be too alarmed.
         
        07-26-2013, 03:53 AM
      #4
    Weanling
    Thank you! I will definitely mention it to the vet. I've suddenly morphed into a paranoid, overprotective mama, so I'm hoping that's all this is, but it really helps to hear what others think :)
         
        07-26-2013, 05:07 AM
      #5
    Showing
    I'm an interesting horse owner.. when a horse I ride reacts in a way I don't like I usually try it again to see if I caused the reaction or it was a coincidence.

    So say you kick the horse and he squeals, do it again and he doesn't. Then you know he's being bratty and since you didn't respond he figured that wouldn't get him out of listening.

    Now say you kick the horse and he squeals, and you do it again and he squeals again. That's when I would think about pain issues.

    The fact he was having issues bending may be because he is rather stiff or his muscles are constricted due to injury or not warming up properly. Or he may just not be yielding the way he should and therefore is not bending when you cue him to.

    It could be ulcers or maybe the saddle shifting caused issues.. who knows.

    Best thing to do would be to check every possible cause, starting with pain issues.

    How is he when it comes to flexing or yielding on the ground?
         
        07-26-2013, 05:22 AM
      #6
    Weanling
    That makes sense, Sky, but I think I'll wait to try and duplicate the reaction since the vet is coming so soon. I don't want to hurt him again if that's what happened!

    On the ground he seems to move fine. He's always bending his head around to check out what I'm doing, and he bends his neck when I'm in the saddle, too (flexion exercises and to sniff my boot when I'm adjusting my stirrups :P). He doesn't seem to have a problem lunging in a large or small circles, and when I've turned him tightly while riding he hasn't protested.

    Two other things to note in case they're relevant:

    One is that he is out of shape. I mean, his weight is fine, but before I bought him he had been ridden hardly at all. When I tested him, it was the first time he'd been under saddle in two weeks, and before that it had been months.

    The other thing is that he had his feet done last week, and the farrier is working on evening out his heels, as one is higher than the other. Also his feet were long when I got him, and they had begun to dish in the front, so the farrier did a fair amount of work on him. He hasn't seemed to be tender-footed, but I'm not necessarily sure I could identify it if he was. Can foot tenderness/changes affect how they carry themselves even when they aren't obviously moving differently?
         
        07-26-2013, 05:28 AM
      #7
    Showing
    Yes tender footed could definitely affect how they carry themselves.

    Does this horse know how to leg yield? To me it sounds like he may not and it could be why he squealed because he was confused as to what you wanted and may have taken it as scolding?

    I'm just throwing ideas out here.

    And noo I didn't mean get back on him and repeat the situation.. just in future it may be a good idea to in order to rule out what could have caused it.
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        07-26-2013, 05:50 AM
      #8
    Weanling
    I actually don't know if he knows how! He was a family horse and used mainly for trails, but he had been shown in both English and Western, so I assumed he knew all the basics. The seller has basically ignored me since she delivered him (she responds to my communication, but she's dismissive), so I haven't been able to get as much information as I should. It happened much more quickly and with less preparation than I had intended, but I was so in love the second I met him, and the seller wouldn't hold him (I was the first to see him). Nothing barring untreatable medical issues or vices like rearing under saddle would have kept me from getting him, but I should have asked more about his training and experience just so I wouldn't be wondering now.

    Do you have any suggestions for how I can tell if he knows how to leg yield? On the ground he will move away from pressure when he's paying attention, but under saddle he speeds up if I give any leg pressure, even just one leg. I had assumed this was because we're still so new to each other and he was testing me/being obstinate. He has yet to move off my leg alone without rein contact (with me using the same cues that work on other horses), but I can't tell if this is a "can't" or "won't" situation.

    By the way, I'm sorry if I sound alarmingly idiotic. I am still a green rider, and this is my first horse as an adult (I had an Arab from age 9 to 14, but my trainer, who boarded him, was constantly at my side, and I never had the 4H-style experience of really getting involved. It was more of a "get on the shiny horse and do what I tell you so you win a ribbon" kind of thing. I was not at all involved in anything except the riding.) But now my relationship with riding is completely different, and I feel like with the support system I do have now combined with my commitment to, comfort with and adoration for Sammy, we will do great together. I just usually think about these things in the middle of the night, and I like the forum format for talking about stuff like this :)
         
        07-26-2013, 02:19 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    Maybe you just surprised him?
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        07-26-2013, 02:31 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    Well I doubt it's anything serious just him being a brat, maybe his old owner let him get away with stuff like this?
         

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