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    03-11-2012, 01:14 AM
  #1
Foal
Should i get a new instructor?

Well, recently I started taking lessons. My first lesson was english, but after some thought I realized its just not for me (not right now anyways). So anyways, my first lesson was on a white tb named Trooper, I was in a english saddle (didnt fit me lol). I did some walking and a bit of trotting, but did horrible since I don't have good balance and kept leaning forward in the trot and almost fell off a few times :/. So then my 2nd lesson was western, I have experience riding western so it went a lot better. I did walk/trot/canter pretty well. Anyways heres the problem, the lesson horse im riding has a terribly rough trot, the next day after my lessons im in extreme pain. My thighs, pelvic area is very sour. When I rode english it was so bad I could barely walk (and my bedroom is in the basement... it was horrible) :(. Well, I thought it wouldnt be as bad riding western, since I have a bit more balance ability in western. Though its not bad, its still pretty painful. I also am large busted, and I wore a sports bra.. well from all the bouncing from his trot my shoulders/neck area was in extreme pain from the pulling of my bra straps. I told her I wanted to switch from english to learning western pleasure, so my mom assumed she would put me on a different horse than the first one, she did not. (PS: she has several lesson horses)

Heres the main problem, this horse is a 20yr.old PITA.... he tests his riders, and its hard to learn balance when your horse doesnt want to listen to you. My instructor tells me to stay against the barn wall, so she tells me to push my outside heel/leg into him to stay on the wall. Well... that doesnt work well on him, instead he just speeds up, then she goes "oh ya he does that sometimes"??? So instead I was using neck reining to direct him towards the wall, and she kept telling me to give him his head (stop using so much rein). Then sometimes when we were in the trot he would go into the lope on his own, so of course I keep some contact on the reins, and she kept telling me not to? It was kind of confusing. The problem with keeping him on the wall is he keeps trying to cut into the center of the ring. My last lesson I was riding in the ring, and there was another rider, whom was riding my instructors horse (she pays her to keep her in shape). So the gelding likes to get right up on other horses rumps, so she keeps saying keep my distance. Well then she goes, Trooper will kick other horses, and if you let him kick my horse your in big trouble??? I told my husband this and he was like what the heck?!?! How would it be my fault if the lesson horse kicked her horse, it would be the other riders fault for allowing the horse to get near Troopers butt. The problem is my mom is getting p.o because she feels like im paying the instructor to fix her lesson horse, who doesnt want to listen. I just started riding again after like a 2yr break, so its hard to focus on 20 things at once when im riding. Im trying to keep him in the gait he's suppose to be, while not doing much rein work, keep him away from the other horse, keep my balance, and keeping him from going to the center. Im just not sure if I should get a different instructor? She says next lesson I will be on a different horse, but she said that last time to, and I was on the same horse. I'll probably attend 1 more lesson, just in case I get a different lesson horse. But this horse is one stubborn mule, and it gets frustrating when she just blames it on me. I know you need to take control and be the boss under saddle, but I can't do that when she keeps telling me not to use so much rein direction. That's the only thing I can do to keep him against the wall :/. Then when he's in the lope he will just start speeding up (almost in to a gallop) so I lost my balance and almost fell off. I probably wouldnt mind riding this horse if I had more confidence and balance in the saddle. But the entire reason im taking lessons is because I currently lack that. I just don't know what to do, should I just suck it up and pull threw it??
     
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    03-11-2012, 01:25 AM
  #2
Yearling
I might get bashed for saying this.. but I'll say it anyways. You really need to quit making so many excuses and just listen to your instructor. You either want to take lessons or you don't.

You're complaining because you were sore? I get pissed at myself if I'm NOT sore after a lesson.. to me it means I wasn't working hard enough. As for your lesson horse doing something different than you wanted him to.. how do you know you weren't inadvertently asking him to do something? And I hate to break it to you but "trying to remember 20 different things at once" is part of riding. Period. I don't care if you are walking down the trail or doing a Grand Prix dressage test; its just the nature of the sport.

I think you need to sit down and really think about why you are riding and if you can handle working hard at it. My old instructor used to always say "If you're going to do something, do it with all your might." You might want to try applying that.

Oh yes, the answer to your question.. no, I don't think you should get a new instructor. I think you should start listening to the one you have and quit making excuses. You might learn something
     
    03-11-2012, 01:29 AM
  #3
Super Moderator
A certain amount of what you are experiencing is the usual challenges of new riders on lesson horses. They always have their tricks, and a new rider is trying so hard to just stay on, that it's hard for them to deal with a hrose that has his own agenda.

I really don't like group lessons, if that 's what you are doing. And, in the beginning, I would not do much cantering at all. You have many things to get better at, paramount being just how to sit your hrose so that you don't end up feeling so much pain afterward.
Again, some of it cannot be avoided. You get a good bra. You can use string to tie the back shoulder straps together, which helps eleviate some of the pressure on the shoulders themselves.
Stretch out after each ride, and do it a lot. Try to ride twice a week, if at all possible . Or do other kinds of excersizes. Be sure to strengthen the outside of the leg to counterbalance the inner muscles. In time it won't hurt to ride, really.
     
    03-11-2012, 01:30 AM
  #4
Started
I agree with the above poster. There's a fine line between keeping contact and using too much rein, and it's something you will learn to fine tune as you get back into riding. Besides, you are NOT going to find a perfect school horse, because lots of inexperienced riders 'ruin' their sensitivity to all of the correct aids. I think you need to stick with it, and as you learn the difference between your aids, and lean how to do 20 things at once ( because, as Dressage said, that's what riding is all about ) it will get easier and be more fun. As for being sore... well you're going to be sore no matter what horse you ride. The horses trot might not be choppy, but again- as you learn to move with the horse it will become smoother, easier to sit, etc.
     
    03-11-2012, 01:31 AM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Dressage10135    
I might get bashed for saying this.. but I'll say it anyways. You really need to quit making so many excuses and just listen to your instructor. You either want to take lessons or you don't.

You're complaining because you were sore? I get pissed at myself if I'm NOT sore after a lesson.. to me it means I wasn't working hard enough. As for your lesson horse doing something different than you wanted him to.. how do you know you weren't inadvertently asking him to do something? And I hate to break it to you but "trying to remember 20 different things at once" is part of riding. Period. I don't care if you are walking down the trail or doing a Grand Prix dressage test; its just the nature of the sport.

I think you need to sit down and really think about why you are riding and if you can handle working hard at it. My old instructor used to always say "If you're going to do something, do it with all your might." You might want to try applying that.

Oh yes, the answer to your question.. no, I don't think you should get a new instructor. I think you should start listening to the one you have and quit making excuses. You might learn something

I tend to generally agree with what Dressage said, if you are pretty serious about riding. However, if you are only interested in riding casually (trail riding and such) in the future and this instructor stresses you out, it might do you some good to find an instructor who put you on and easy, confidence boosting lesson horse who will just plod around easily. It all really just comes down to how far you plan on taking your riding in the future.

Either way, best of luck to you. I hope you work it out!
     
    03-11-2012, 01:34 AM
  #6
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dressage10135    
I might get bashed for saying this.. but I'll say it anyways. You really need to quit making so many excuses and just listen to your instructor. You either want to take lessons or you don't.

You're complaining because you were sore? I get pissed at myself if I'm NOT sore after a lesson.. to me it means I wasn't working hard enough. As for your lesson horse doing something different than you wanted him to.. how do you know you weren't inadvertently asking him to do something? And I hate to break it to you but "trying to remember 20 different things at once" is part of riding. Period. I don't care if you are walking down the trail or doing a Grand Prix dressage test; its just the nature of the sport.

I think you need to sit down and really think about why you are riding and if you can handle working hard at it. My old instructor used to always say "If you're going to do something, do it with all your might." You might want to try applying that.

Oh yes, the answer to your question.. no, I don't think you should get a new instructor. I think you should start listening to the one you have and quit making excuses. You might learn something
Ive rode for about 10 years, im only taking lessons to refresh myself and regain confidence and my balance. Since our horses are gaited, I got use to the no bounce. But even my arabian before I rode gaited I could ride her trot and canter for hours on a trail without being this sore. Im not making "excuses", I know riding is hard, im not new to riding. Im not giving the horse accidental cues, since the instructor plain out admitted "he does that sometimes", so she already knows it is the horse just not listening to his rider. I am listening to my instructor, but at the same time I don't want to fall off because her horse speeds up in certain parts of the arena, she just told me all the horses do that, then I get in trouble because im using the reins. What am I suppose to do? Let him take off and hope for the best???
     
    03-11-2012, 01:34 AM
  #7
Weanling
I'm having an issue with her saying to keep the outside leg dug into him to keep him on the wall? That's not right, the horse should move away from pressure, not into it. Also, if you're going at a speedy trot into a corner and you're squeezing with your outside leg, that's generally how you ask for canter, so that could be another factor.

I'm not going to tell you to switch trainers, but maybe for one lesson just do EVERYTHING she says, unless you're in real danger, take everything she says as a saving grace and just do it as she asks, the horse may be trained differently than you're used to, trust your instructor.
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    03-11-2012, 01:38 AM
  #8
Foal
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
A certain amount of what you are experiencing is the usual challenges of new riders on lesson horses. They always have their tricks, and a new rider is trying so hard to just stay on, that it's hard for them to deal with a hrose that has his own agenda.

I really don't like group lessons, if that 's what you are doing. And, in the beginning, I would not do much cantering at all. You have many things to get better at, paramount being just how to sit your hrose so that you don't end up feeling so much pain afterward.
Again, some of it cannot be avoided. You get a good bra. You can use string to tie the back shoulder straps together, which helps eleviate some of the pressure on the shoulders themselves.
Stretch out after each ride, and do it a lot. Try to ride twice a week, if at all possible . Or do other kinds of excersizes. Be sure to strengthen the outside of the leg to counterbalance the inner muscles. In time it won't hurt to ride, really.
No, there private lessons. But it would be unreasonable for me to want no other horses in the arena with me. She just uses the facility of a boarding stable, I found out about this instructor because my mother is old time friends with the owner of the facility. It is a little confusing though when she talks to other people when im taking a lesson, because im not sure if she's telling me something or somebody else. Like when her horse was also riding, she was talking to the girl, and I kept getting mixed up on if she was telling me something or the other person. I havent taken lessons since I was about 8, the rest was pretty much on my own. I figured this was pretty normal?

Also, im not getting in trouble for pulling on his mouth. She just keeps telling me not to neck rein him to stay on the wall, she says I need to use my leg. For example, when he comes off the wall I direct him back over by neck reining.
     
    03-11-2012, 03:06 AM
  #9
Foal
I know there will be normal soreness from starting back up riding after a break. But this wasnt some little aches and pains, my legs were so sore I had to crawl up and down my stairs, because when I tried walking them I almost fell. I didn't expect to lope after only 2 lessons, but I honestly am trying to follow her direction, and she told me if im not willing to listen and do what she says then I should just get off and go home. So when she says trot 20 circles, I do, even though its painful. When I try to keep him on the wall in a trot or canter, its like I stop focusing on balancing, so then I get thrown forward. Your not allowed to grab the horn, so my natural reaction is to stop him so I don't fall off.
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    03-11-2012, 04:59 AM
  #10
Banned
Sounds to me like you need to do some exercise to improve your core strength, muscle tone and balance.

Balance ball work, cycling and squats.

You also need to stop blaming the horse and as you clearly have no respect or confidence in your current instructor then go elsewhere.

See if you can find one who does private lessons on the lunge and to improve your balance and understanding of use of seat and legs and reduce reliance on reins. That will also help you develop core strength and balance.
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