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    02-27-2012, 11:43 PM
  #41
Foal
Sure do.

I had a horse who had no respect whatsoever for leg aids and would try things on whenever she could. I could have sat there all day politely asking her to move and she never would have. Hell, I could have sat there all day kicking her until my legs were bruised and bloody and she never would have moved. How is that good? How does that teach a horse to respect leg aids (and you)? All it teaches is they can get away with not doing what is being asked of them.

I eventually bought a pair of spurs and they were a godsend. When I lightly applied the spurs to her she responded in the same way she would to me politely asking her to move, ignoring me completely. I jabbed her with the spurs once, so she knew they had the power to be less than pleasant and that was the last issue I ever had with her ignoring my legs. I tended to wear the spurs whenever I rode however I never jabbed her again, the most I ever did was lightly rest them on her sides if she was beginning to be a pig, so she knew they were there. I lost one of my spurs one day so had to ride without, I was really nervous it would be a terrible ride considering what she had been like pre spurs but she was good as gold with my leg aids, same as she was when I was wearing the spurs. For me they were more like a threat, one that she knew I was more than happy to follow through with.

I highly disagree with riders with unsteady legs using spurs, the whole idea of spurs isn't going to work if you're constantly jabbing the horse in the sides for no reason and could set up way bigger problems than a horse not responding to leg aids. I also think the reason as to why a horse isn't responding to leg aids should be examined and this is something I regret not having done with my horse. Spurs cured her being unresponsive to my leg and didn't set up any issues, but the reason she had no respect for my leg was because she had no respect for me, something she'd never learned. I eventually addressed the root of the problem and all was fine, but if a horse is being unresponsive to the leg you need to look at the bigger picture too rather than just jumping straight into spurs which can act as a bit of a bandaid to respect issues. I haven't had much experience using spurs to refine aids but I believe they are a great help there too, and if possible this is what spurs should be saved for.

The idea of using a crop in the same way as spurs is interesting and could definitely be just as effective as spurs, and I think for riders who have less than steady legs it would be a better option than using spurs as you can control the position of your crop whatever level rider you are (provided you are focusing on what you are doing, and if you can't focus on riding properly and where you are holding your crop, I would question why you are on a horse that requires the use of a crop) and the majority of horses are responsive to crops. My horse wasn't, she hated all whips other than a lunge whip as she'd had bad experiences in the past with whips. She never really got over that, she could tolerate whips but they weren't ever going to be able to be used in the same way as spurs were.

So all in all... I believe spurs definitely have a time and place but shouldn't be a riding staple for all and sundry.
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    02-28-2012, 12:10 AM
  #42
Green Broke
I hardly ever ride in spurs although I do own a pair. I have no problem with people using spurs. A couple of my friends just keep them attached to their boots and ride in them all the time.

The reason I don't is that I ride in tennis shoes. My prince-of-wales spurs fit on my tennis shoes but I don't want to be walking around the grocery store with spurs on my tennis shoes. So unless I need them I leave them off.

I do agree you need a steady leg before you wear spurs. If not they could get you in trouble. I actually considered them a liability when I was younger because I didn't have the balance. Now that I do, they don't touch the horse unless I want them to. So I could ride in them all the time if I wasn't lazy and riding in tennis shoes.
     
    02-28-2012, 01:04 AM
  #43
Foal
Spurs are just a cheat for not having your horse respect you enough to listen or a cheat to the lack of time some people don't give to their horses. If you do all of the ground work, perpare your horse, let them know you are high horse and understand when and how to reward your horse then their is no need for them.
This is just my opinion :) if you watch some of rick gore's videos on youtube then you will start to see what I mean... that guy knows horses! :)
     
    02-28-2012, 06:49 AM
  #44
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ilovemymorgan    
Spurs are just a cheat for not having your horse respect you enough to listen or a cheat to the lack of time some people don't give to their horses. If you do all of the ground work, perpare your horse, let them know you are high horse and understand when and how to reward your horse then their is no need for them.
This is just my opinion :) if you watch some of rick gore's videos on youtube then you will start to see what I mean... that guy knows horses! :)
And you are entitled to your opinion, but based on your post...you really don't understand what spurs are for in the first place.
     
    02-28-2012, 07:22 AM
  #45
Banned
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Originally Posted by ilovemymorgan    
Spurs are just a cheat for not having your horse respect you enough to listen or a cheat to the lack of time some people don't give to their horses. If you do all of the ground work, perpare your horse, let them know you are high horse and understand when and how to reward your horse then their is no need for them.
This is just my opinion :) if you watch some of rick gore's videos on youtube then you will start to see what I mean... that guy knows horses! :)
LOL ......Rick Gore......LOL
     
    02-28-2012, 09:37 AM
  #46
Showing
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Originally Posted by ilovemymorgan    
Spurs are just a cheat for not having your horse respect you enough to listen or a cheat to the lack of time some people don't give to their horses. If you do all of the ground work, perpare your horse, let them know you are high horse and understand when and how to reward your horse then their is no need for them.
This is just my opinion :) if you watch some of rick gore's videos on youtube then you will start to see what I mean... that guy knows horses! :)
I respectfully disagree. All the ground work in the world will not put the finesse on a show horse under saddle. That has nothing to do with respect. Spurs are not meant for horses without respect, they are for refinement of already existing cues. Spurs allow for spins, sliding stops, flying lead changes, etc. with minimal rider interference. I can ride several of mine without a thing on them and put them anywhere I'd like at any speed I like and execute advanced maneuvers. That comes from fine tuning and precision training that involved using spurs.
     
    02-28-2012, 11:30 PM
  #47
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovemymorgan    
Spurs are just a cheat for not having your horse respect you enough to listen or a cheat to the lack of time some people don't give to their horses. If you do all of the ground work, perpare your horse, let them know you are high horse and understand when and how to reward your horse then their is no need for them.
This is just my opinion :) if you watch some of rick gore's videos on youtube then you will start to see what I mean... that guy knows horses! :)
I'm going to have to say I STRONGLY disagree. Spurs are an attachment to your leg, same as a crop as long as you use them properly.

May I ask, do you use a lead rope when walking your horse? If you do, then based on your above statement you are cheating for not having your horse respect you enough to follow your body language. I know that my horses follow my body language and stop when I stop, move away from my body when I walk towards them, follow my body when I move away from them, etc. But I still will NEVER walk my horses w/o a lead rope. That lead rope is an extension of me, it's there if I need it.

I don't know who this Rick Gore guy is, but there's a lot of ppl who are more well known, more proven, and I'm guessing more respected that also know horses....and they use spurs/crops if needed.
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    02-28-2012, 11:57 PM
  #48
Yearling
My only issue with spurs is when they are used by a) jackasses b) people that do not have the leg control. In my eyes you must be able to cope with a horse taking off without a thought of grabbing with the legs before they are thought of. I have seen too many times the horse takes off people grab with legs in my mind spurs would cause carnage.

I did ride with them when I was younger on school horses and my own mare. These horses had little respect for leg so by adding a short blunt spur ( about 1 cm) it corrected this.

Like everything else as long as used correctly they are a wonderful tool.
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    02-29-2012, 10:03 AM
  #49
Yearling
I ONLY ride in knob ended spurs. Funny thing with me is my legs are so long that even on my 16.2hh horse I have to heel up and back to reach:) looks kinda bad so even though I always have them on, I hardly use them. It's just way to much effort to move my legs that way, LOL
     
    02-29-2012, 10:08 AM
  #50
rob
Weanling
Babysmurf,i assume you ride english.have you tried raising your stirrups a little and keeping your heels down?
     

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