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post #1 of 25 Old 11-15-2011, 09:33 PM Thread Starter
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Spurs?

My colt is two and knows the basics. He is just like his sire...suuuuper laid back..a little too much really. I have to ride him with spurs (they have small, perfectly round rowels) if I plan on getting anywhere. Is it bad for me to be using spurs already?
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post #2 of 25 Old 11-15-2011, 09:38 PM
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Better than constantly picking on his sides to get him moving out. They learn to tune you out sometimes, a little back up encouragement reminds him to listen the first time.
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post #3 of 25 Old 11-15-2011, 09:39 PM
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I think from the his laid back personality along with your need to get him respond, no. (as long as you know how to use the spurs, of course!)
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post #4 of 25 Old 11-19-2011, 02:53 AM
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Not at all as long as used correctly. Just think, if you didnt have spurs he would become dead sided to your constantly squeezing him on and that would be worse.

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post #5 of 25 Old 11-19-2011, 04:53 AM
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I personally think it is bad. Once you use them you might end up being reliant on them and if he becomes dead to them, what next? Sharper ones? He's only two aswell, way too young for me personally. (I don't ever use spurs anyway). With training horses, my aim is to get 'less is more' by deep understanding and communication. Not with using the unnatural aids. Good luck.
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post #6 of 25 Old 11-19-2011, 10:33 AM
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Something I tried with my very lazy appy before I went to some little bummper spurs was taking a dressage whip with me. When I asked him to move into a trot and he wasnt responsive, or he tried to walk before I asked I gave him a sting on the butt telling him I was serious so I didnt always have to pushing and squeezing him on. Just an idea

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post #7 of 25 Old 11-21-2011, 02:08 PM
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I didn't even know you could ride a horse as young as 2. But I don't see anything wrong with it. I ride a 4 year old with spurs sometimes.
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post #8 of 25 Old 11-21-2011, 02:12 PM
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I personally think it is bad. Once you use them you might end up being reliant on them and if he becomes dead to them, what next? Sharper ones? He's only two aswell, way too young for me personally. (I don't ever use spurs anyway). With training horses, my aim is to get 'less is more' by deep understanding and communication. Not with using the unnatural aids. Good luck.

I use a three step system at first with my horses with spurs. I ask with my legs, then I ask with my spurs lightly, and if they still don't respond they get a firmer jab in the side.

Once this has been developed and the horse is moving better, realises what the spurs are for and more forward, I ask once with my leg and then spur in the side. Its worked with every horse I have trained and owned, and weaned them off the spurs once that phase in the training is corrected.
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You don't poke, jab, or otherwise harpoon a horse with spurs! You pull your heel up the rib cage, with western spurs the rowels will roll up the side. The spurs are meant to give a weird tickling sensation to the horse not induce pain. As prey animals horses have an ability to tune out pain and go numb, it's a defence mechanism that most prey animals have. You use your legs to create energy and bring up the life in a horse, you don't do that through fear. By fear I mean fear of your leg, fear of the pain you'll inflict if the don't obey. Fear isn't respect, respect is understanding. Understanding is the horse knowing that your legs mean he needs to do something and he's willing to do it. Spuring and kicking almost never teaches a horse to put some life in their feet all it does is make them more resentful.
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You don't poke, jab, or otherwise harpoon a horse with spurs! You pull your heel up the rib cage, with western spurs the rowels will roll up the side. The spurs are meant to give a weird tickling sensation to the horse not induce pain. As prey animals horses have an ability to tune out pain and go numb, it's a defence mechanism that most prey animals have. You use your legs to create energy and bring up the life in a horse, you don't do that through fear. By fear I mean fear of your leg, fear of the pain you'll inflict if the don't obey. Fear isn't respect, respect is understanding. Understanding is the horse knowing that your legs mean he needs to do something and he's willing to do it. Spuring and kicking almost never teaches a horse to put some life in their feet all it does is make them more resentful.
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Hnn. I have to slightly disagree with you there, I can understand the thought process, and maybe the word 'jab' was too harsh for what I meant and for that I apologise.

As mentioned previously, three steps to begin with, ask with leg, then with spur, and then a good ol' pony club kick. Any reaction is better than none, and if your horse reacts, praise and go forwards even if its not the gait you were after.

Start to wean the horse off once this is accomplised. Ask with leg, and then kick. I've trained plenty of horses that are 'dead to the leg' in this manner, none of which have been unhappy in their work, and became a lot easier to ride. They became happier because people, students, owners weren't kick, kick, kicking all the time, slightest pressure and you get the result you like.

I have never trained a 2yo though, so development wise I don't know do's and don'ts for how much work you can give them.
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