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post #11 of 35 Old 03-29-2010, 03:55 PM Thread Starter
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post #12 of 35 Old 03-29-2010, 04:12 PM
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I've been riding horses for a long time and I ride many horses but I have rarely ever wear spurs. Even if people tell me, "that horse needs to be ridden with spurs", I usually won't. I wear spurs in competition and with one horse in particular that has been riding in spurs since he was first trained and he won't respond to normal leg pressure(which I hate) nut I only use a ball spur. I don't feel comfortable with any spur but I feel at lil safer when I have a ball instead of a rowel.

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A reluctant-to-move horse must be retrained using natural aids and training techniques.
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I use spurs on all my horses and normally have them on with in a few rides on a green horse. They are an extension of my leg. However if you do not know how and when to use them and have very good leg control you should not use them until you do. Non of my horses are trained to move forward off the spurs/leg. The leg/spur is to control movement of every part of the horses body including the head.

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Equiniphile, I don't agree with you that a horse will get to 'rely' on an aid.

I carried a whip for years, not because I needed it every time, but occasionally my Arabian decided he was a mule and knew better than I did.

Eventually, I didn't need to use it even occasionally on him and quit carrying it all together. He hardly 'relied' on the whip, and certainly didn't miss it when it was gone.

Anything used correctly is neither cruel nor inhumane. However, if you haven't been trained to properly use a particular piece of equipment, it's best to leave it home.

Tyler, you didn't answer my questions. How long have you been riding, and do you have an instructor? If you've never been trained to ride correctly, that could be a major issue in why you can't get your horse to go forward. He simply may not understand the cues you're giving him.
I suppose it depends on the horse. With my Paso gelding, he would take advantage of a crop or spurs not being there after being drilled with them. With my stallion, if I took away the stallion lead, he would be a pain in the butt on the end of the lead rope. With my Paint Clydesdale gelding or my mare, however, they would not take advantage of an artificial aid not being there.
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Sure. Instead of hashing a horse by slamming him in the sides with spurs, which is what usually happens when an inexperienced rider puts spurs on, let the horse learn to rely on and trust you. With continued training in this area by teaching your horse to trust you and your decisions, he will learn to advance and not balk because he trusts your decisions. By using your hands, legs, and seat to communicate a positive attitude about "forward" your horse will come to realize that stalling is pointless and "forward" is more enjoyable and less irritating, because your forward aids will have ceased when he listens to them.
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Agree 100% with Mercedes. Spurs are for the refinement of leg aids, NOT for creating forward. My horse was super lazy and obese when I got him - I re-trained him to move off the lightest leg pressure first, and now I wear spurs when showing to refine my leg aids for the fast turns and specific changes we do. I can do everything without spurs, just not as neat and refined :]

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Sure. Instead of hashing a horse by slamming him in the sides with spurs, which is what usually happens when an inexperienced rider puts spurs on, let the horse learn to rely on and trust you. With continued training in this area by teaching your horse to trust you and your decisions, he will learn to advance and not balk because he trusts your decisions. By using your hands, legs, and seat to communicate a positive attitude about "forward" your horse will come to realize that stalling is pointless and "forward" is more enjoyable and less irritating, because your forward aids will have ceased when he listens to them.
The problem with this is that spurs have nothing to do with forward. I agree that riders who do not know how to use spurs and have poor leg should not use them. However spurs serve a purpose that can not be achieved with just your heal. With spurs you can use the leas amount of leg/cue to achieve you desired out come. Spurs when used properly do not make a dead sided horse they actually do the opposite. They make a horse with lighter sides and more responsive.

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The problem with this is that spurs have nothing to do with forward. I agree that riders who do not know how to use spurs and have poor leg should not use them. However spurs serve a purpose that can not be achieved with just your heal. With spurs you can use the leas amount of leg/cue to achieve you desired out come. Spurs when used properly do not make a dead sided horse they actually do the opposite. They make a horse with lighter sides and more responsive.
What about the horses that are trained to just spurs as a means of going forward and are dead still when you use leg commands? This doesn't come across to me as more responcive, IMO.....I agree 100% that spurs have nothing to do with forward. They are an extention of your leg, as you mentioned before, and should be treated as such. I've always thought of spurs as tools used to refine riding aids and give more detailed cues.

Spurs are not crutches, as many riders use them as. Riders who don't have sufficient leg strength or sufficient ability to ask for a forward motion without spurs, so they strap spurs to their feet, and oh, look how much more the horse responds....
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What about the horses that are trained to just spurs as a means of going forward and are dead still when you use leg commands?
They are trained incorrectly. Simple as that :)

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