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    08-10-2008, 04:16 PM
True... but these are older stallions as well as younger. And younger mares as well as older. There is one field, and one paddock, and they all share them.
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    08-10-2008, 04:31 PM
I guess in Serbia you don't have the space to properly "adjust" each young stud.

I just hope your country isn't like Japan.
    08-10-2008, 04:38 PM
The thing is, this is a racing stable. Yes. We have space. And we PROPERLY work with our horses. The thing is, we don't pamper them. We don't decide that a horse needs to live in perfect conditions. We take care of them, but we still treat them as what they are: Animals.

And they are herd animals. So why not put them together?

They join the "herd" around the age of four to six months, and from then on, they're all together, unless it's breeding time for one of the mares, or if they're letting out just a momma and her baby.

This is a breeding racing stable, but they don't pamper their horses. Stallions are with other stallions, geldings are with geldings, mares and with mares, and they're all together.
    08-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Oh... and just a question: What is Japan like, and why do you hope that Serbia's not like it?

(I'm originally from the USA, and I have to say that even though some of the horses in different places here are starving, the US is most definitely fifty hundred thousand times worse. Not in the way they deal with the animals, but in the over-pampering of livestock)
    08-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by FutureVetGirl
Oh... and just a question: What is Japan like, and why do you hope that Serbia's not like it?
I had already figured out it was a racing stable.

It is well known that after the horses race and are no longer useful they are sent for slaughter. There does seem to be a trend to do this in many countries and the USA is not exempt but the story that came out of Japan with Ferdinand the Kenducky Derby winner ending up this way woke people up to what happens to many TBs.
    08-10-2008, 05:52 PM
Well... looks like we're better than the US when it comes to that. Not ONE racehorse in this country (unless the horse was seriously injured and forced to be put down) gets sent to slaughter, or is just placed in a field to live out it's life in boredom and misery.

Instead, all the horses (whether they be harness, flat, or steeplechase) get retrained and used for something else. Sometimes the "something else" is jumping, sometimes it's endurance, dressage, or even just basic riding with different people.

Horses are still livestock though, and aren't treated like royalty. But they aren't MIStreated though. (unless you get to the completely irresponsible private owners or the roma people, then you have problems with that).
    08-10-2008, 10:28 PM
Okay, I give up... I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

I was hoping to educate some naive people so that they don't expect all stallions to behave like a gelding.

Best of luck in your ventures, FVG, I will no longer be posting.
    08-10-2008, 10:45 PM
Hmm I find it interestin when you say you put stallions, mares, and geldins all together..

Now wouldn't the stallions beat the crap out of the geldins? Idk, the hole peckin order plays in my mind, and I would think stallions to be more aggressive. Especially with mares around..

Idk maybe I have a misunderstandin, but that would seem logical to me.

From what I have read thoughout this topic, I am going to agree with Allie.
    08-11-2008, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon
hmm I find it interestin when you say you put stallions, mares, and geldins all together..

Now wouldn't the stallions beat the crap out of the geldins? Idk, the hole peckin order plays in my mind, and I would think stallions to be more aggressive. Especially with mares around..
if your in the US I bet you 98% of the barns DO NOT let mares, geldings, and stallions together. Heck I know one barn that doesnt even allow mares and geldings together. They put the older mares in one paddock, geldings in another, teen mares in another. This is pointless trying to get are point across. FVG were just trying to educate you. Were not attacking you, we just want you to realize.
    08-11-2008, 05:51 AM
Well... they aren't as aggressive as you guys are making them out to be. They graze. They don't run around and play. They're not stupid horses.

And if I had my own choice, I wouldn't do it, but it's not my choice, and they do great all together. There are a couple stallions that we DON'T put with any of the others, and if we're going to put them outside to exercize, it's always in one of the smaller rings. These people really aren't as stupid as you guys are making them out to be. Just because a horse is a stallion, doesn't mean that he's going to kill. I'll admit that sometimes they DO need more care and attention than other horses, but for the most part, these horses are fine.

And the stallions are actually the calmer ones. It's the geldings and the mares that pick on them, rather than the other way around.

And I understand that you're "trying" to "educate" me about something I know more about than you do.

And I do understand what it is that you're saying. But I'm saying, that there is absolutely no reason for all the fuss that people are making. There is probably no more than three stallions at this barn that are "troublemakers" like you guys are saying ALL stallions are.

The mares are the troublemakers. Not the stallions. It WAS the mare that killed the stallion. Not the stallion killing one of the geldings, or one of the mares.

These people aren't stupid. They know what they're doing. Ever heard of bachelor herds? Those are herds of young to old stallions who don't have mares in their herds yet. They all run together. Sure, they occasionally pick on each other, but for the most part, they don't. And even in "normal" herds, sometimes there are several stallions in some of the larger groups, instead of just one. And sure, they get on each others nerves at time, but they're not constantly attacking each other.

You guys seriously are making it out to seem like stallions will do almost anything to be at the top, to be *number one* to be the aggressive horse. I'm saying, that for most stallions, this is a false statement.

The reason you feel like you're talking to a brick wall, is because you're just not making any sense. You're still assuming that every stallion is a sex-driven maniac that will kill anytime it gets the chance.

I've admitted QUITE a few times that stallions DO need an experienced handler, and need someone who knows what they're doing, but that they aren't as dangerous as people are STILL assuming. Yes. ASSUMING.

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