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  • Horse raises head when stopping in hack
  • How to stop a horse from tucking his head into his chest

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    02-17-2012, 01:12 AM
  #31
Weanling
Grady had the most horrendous stop ever when I got him, he was rode in a snaffle he was happier with a halter/ hack but had NO stop with one. I was young and stupid and a friend told me to try a mechanical hack or a jar breaker most commonly called around here. I did use it correctly, but a couple times I know I used too much force. But after awhile he stopped on a dime... Now that I am more experienced I can now say My friend is an idiot for giving me such advice and I was one for taking it.
Getting my young horses to soften at the poll is the EASIEST way to increase a stop, that and every time you stop ask for five smooth steps back, this helps big time.
     
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    02-17-2012, 01:22 AM
  #32
Showing
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Originally Posted by farley    
Grady had the most horrendous stop ever when I got him, he was rode in a snaffle he was happier with a halter/ hack but had NO stop with one. I was young and stupid and a friend told me to try a mechanical hack or a jar breaker most commonly called around here. I did use it correctly, but a couple times I know I used too much force. But after awhile he stopped on a dime... Now that I am more experienced I can now say My friend is an idiot for giving me such advice and I was one for taking it.
Getting my young horses to soften at the poll is the EASIEST way to increase a stop, that and every time you stop ask for five smooth steps back, this helps big time.
Yeah we struggle with back. He gaps his mouth and refuses to budge and then when he does, I ease up a LOT and then he pulls the reins down, like he has enough room to stretch but he wants to stretch all the way to the ground, as an evasion.

Grr
     
    02-17-2012, 01:33 AM
  #33
Weanling
Where are your hands when you ask him to back??
     
    02-17-2012, 08:02 AM
  #34
Showing
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Originally Posted by farley    
where are your hands when you ask him to back??
Where they usually are? I don't know if I understand your question
     
    02-17-2012, 01:30 PM
  #35
Weanling
Where are your hands when you are asking him to back? Are your hands in front of your stomach or down by your knees/hips . Sometimes by lowering your hands you are forcing his head down into toward his chest which is easier for then to collect and back it also teaches him to drop his poll and give to the pressure. Otherwise your horse may want to fight the pressure and toss their heads this can make them stumble back and learn to hold their heads while backing. Also First ask them to only take a few steps and release and then gradually increase the steps once he understands.
     
    02-17-2012, 01:38 PM
  #36
Showing
By my hips, I don't ever put them lower than that.
     
    02-17-2012, 01:44 PM
  #37
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Originally Posted by farley    
where are your hands when you are asking him to back? Are your hands in front of your stomach or down by your knees/hips . Sometimes by lowering your hands you are forcing his head down into toward his chest which is easier for then to collect and back it also teaches him to drop his poll and give to the pressure. Otherwise your horse may want to fight the pressure and toss their heads this can make them stumble back and learn to hold their heads while backing. Also First ask them to only take a few steps and release and then gradually increase the steps once he understands.

I completely disagree with lowering the hands to ask for a stop, certainly applying any pressure while your hands are lower is not good; it puts more downward pressure on the bars of the mouth and in my experience, teaches the horse to tuck his nose back toward chest in an evasion of the bit. Once a horse starts tucking behind the bit, it is one of the hardest habits to break. Much harder to train a horse out of going behind the bit than to train it out of going above the bit.

YOu maintain the elbow to hand to bit alingment, whether going forward or backward. IF the horse raises his head to avoid the bit, you follow him up, and when he chooses to come back down again, you encourage that thought with a slight softening of the hand.

In any case, there are loads of threads on how to back up a hrose. I do, however, agree that while training good stops, it's not a bad idea to back the horse up a few steps. How many depends on when you feel him really put his mind into the process, lift his shoulders and neck (not throw his head in the air, lift the base of his neck) and LIFT his front legs backward rather than dragging them across the ground. When you feel that, then release.
     
    02-17-2012, 01:45 PM
  #38
Weanling
Well that's good and yea just work on him softening at the poll and backing a few steps at a time =)
     
    02-17-2012, 03:44 PM
  #39
Weanling
Mmm I have never Had that happen... But I can definitely see that happening. However when I use this technique my horses are already soft at the poll and willingly drop their heads for me, with there heads downward they move backward so nicely as opposed to them not lowering their heads.
     

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