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post #1 of 5 Old 08-30-2010, 07:28 PM Thread Starter
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Stupid buyers.

Going to rant here, hold on to your hats.

A couple weeks ago I sold Sammy to a nice couple looking for a trail horse. With TRAINING, Sam would make for a great little trail blazer. I myself wanted to have one trail horse (Loki) and one or two nice show horses (Divo, and my new colt). So, I sold Sammy to what I thought was a great home where he would be loved, adored, pampered, and trained.
Sammy was my first rescue, but with proper care and management turned into a big lovely TWH gelding. After two years recovery, I finally put him back under saddle. After two years of doing pretty much nothing he had issues, as would pretty much any horse.

1. He cannot, absolutely CAN. NOT. be ridden without prior lunging. You can't send him around 'once or twice'. No. You must make him haul butt with attitude.
2. He goes fast. Sam was not a slow horse. Sam moved out like the devil, he gaited and cantered, no walking. Obviously further training would have corrected this.
3. He needs professional training. Not some yahoo with a gag bit and a heavy hand. He needs time, time, time under saddle by someone ready to deal with him Get Up N' Go attitude. Ground manners are (or at least where) impeccable.

Yesterday my dad saw him on Craiglist. This is just part of the ad, but I quote (comments are in red):

Sammy is a 15 yr old gelding about 14 hh.
Sam stands 15.1hh at the least. He was far taller than Red at 14.2hh. Did he shrink? Did you measure him in a hole?
Tennesse Walker/Fox Trotter
I just bought a MFTxTWH cross. Sam is 100% TWH.
Neck reins great. Great at lunging. Does everything you ask on the ground.
He WILL test your authority when you're in the saddle. He has reared up and gone backwards and sideways trying to be defiant when he wants his way and probably is used to getting it.
Oh for hells sake! I TOLD THESE PEOPLE THIS. I described what he does, how he does it, and what you need to do to correct this kind of behavior undersaddle with this horse! Are they daft?! Are they stupid?! Stop ruining the horse and LISTEN.
We've had him a little over a month. We have yet to see him kick out. He's a great horse. He's easy to catch and great on the ground. Very lovable guy. Good personality.

These are the same people, and I quote, that told me:
Before we ride me we'll be sending him to a great trainer from California to be tuned up..

In the ad:
Must be somewhat experienced! Not looking for a trainer. We do not have the money to pay someone.

Really? Is that the problem? THEN CALL ME. I will HAPPILY, for the GAS MONEY come out and WORK WITH SAMMY AND YOU! I will RIDE him and WORK him and SHOW YOU how to correct these issues that you are obviously incapable of handling. I'd even take him back if you all-of-a-sudden feel he's too much horse for you. Really people, I won't bite, I won't rip your head off, but at the end of the hour you'll have a better understanding of the animal in front of you. Don't be shy now!

Oh, but, these where the people that where oh so happy with their $50 mare. Now on Craigslist for the low-low price of $500! No money put into her! Not even farrier! Or wait, get her at a steal for $250!!!!!!.

I really hate stupid, lying buyers. Apparently they are unavoidable in the lower-priced horse market. And rearing? Sammy didn't rear. Sammy hops two inches off the ground with his front hooves. Maybe he rears now, I don't know.
I rode a horse last weekend that REARED. You know Roy Rogers horse, Silver? That kind of rearing. Completely avoidable with a gentler bit. This guy shoved some massive, long shanked, huge ported freak bit into a green-at-best horses mouth and was all. "Well uh, doi, uhh...he's rearing, yup yup yup. Gotta crank on back on that bit n' make him go backwards! Da-hooooiiii" (that may be subject to my personal opinion of said owner).
I refused to properly correct the horse when he said "Do not want to go over bridge" and when simply asked him to whoa with light touch (didn't respond to vocal or seat) he went ups-a-daisy. I'm not surprised after all that crank-n'-yank the other guy found necessary.

Stupid. Stupid. Buyers. Arg.

Wait! I'll fix it....
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On an additional note, I texted them (since I'm too irritated to talk to anyone nicely) with the same thing I told them before, just freaky condensed:
Hey guys! Saw Sam on CL, try making him do 20 laps left and right -five left, switch, five right, etc.- and keep him on his toes with figure 8s and fast changes. Make him spin and back if he hops, be aggressive but don't crank on his mouth. Good luck! -Anna

In other words:
Lunge him before riding, and make him move when you ride him. He can't rear or be a real pain if he doesn't know which way his feet are going next.
IF they reply, I'll ask them what kind of bit their working him in. If it's a leverage bit thats going to be 98% of the problem. Sam HATES leverage bits (also made that very, very clear). Does okay bitless and with snaffles. Considering how some people ride and train around here, I'm not surprised at his aversion to leverage type bits.

Wait! I'll fix it....
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post #3 of 5 Old 08-30-2010, 08:03 PM
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Sounds like he may have been too much horse for them. Hope he finds a good home.

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post #4 of 5 Old 08-30-2010, 09:01 PM
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If I've learned anything in this industry, it's to be very weary of selling a greenie to green owners, even if they say they're going to have professional help. It's not worth the headache when the new owners come back at you saying "well you didn't tell me X!" or "Charis sold me this mean awful horse that bucks and rears!" Actually, I did tell you X. And Y and Z. I didn't sell you a mean awful horse, I sold you a green horse that needs training, not a shank bit and badly fitting saddle.
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Hmmmm...maybe you should have texted that you will come and pick him up and give them their money back instead. It sounds like these are just crackpot horse sellers...

I would never sell a horse without having the people try the horse out atleast once or twice, so they KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that they could handle him. If I myself got the creeps watching them work with the horse, I would just tell them someone else is contacting me, and has first dibs, hahahaha!

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