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post #11 of 69 Old 04-09-2014, 02:52 PM
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Sometimes once you become more experienced the horses sense that. They might test that a little, they behave for school kids. But you know what you're doing and you're asking more and more of them.

But I gotta say that's a pretty severe turn of events. Were you using your leg aids as well?

When your coach saw that you were having problems with this, what did they suggest to do? Or did you just keep going around the arena?

I'm sorry you fell. Take an advil and put some icy hot or voltaren on that neck. Also you might need a new helmet.
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post #12 of 69 Old 04-09-2014, 02:55 PM
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Is it possible that the horse can tell you are a wreck? I had a mare when I was a kid, who knew exactly what buttons to push then as soon as I was flustered she would do just enough to push me over the edge then I would find myself in the dirt. Since then I have seen it in other horses with other riders too.

Often times folks will blame the horse being in pain, or some issue with the horse, but since it seems to be you, (no offense intended) you may see a chiropractor or some other Dr. who can check YOUR alignment......

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post #13 of 69 Old 04-09-2014, 04:57 PM
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I think you have a balance issue that you may not be aware of and need many lunge line lessons to give you an independent seat. The horses can feel that lack of balance, and try to stay under you but get pulled in the opposite direction and are confused about what you want.
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post #14 of 69 Old 04-09-2014, 05:04 PM
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Knowing you ride heavier on one side means you need to correct this before you do anything else. It is unfair to the horse. Just because it's been fine in the past doesn't mean it wants to continue carrying lop-sided weight.
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post #15 of 69 Old 04-09-2014, 09:48 PM
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horses have bad days. they are extremely emotionally based animals, as are most intelligent animals. if she was good for you most of the time, and now is not, there is something on her mind, that is conflicting with you and your signals. she may be in heat, she may have had a change of diet, change of stable mates, had some thing that kept her from getting any sleep last night, and on and on. her emotional state is bad to begin with, then she has a rider on board who wants her to do something she doesn't want to do, something that if she were not in a bad emotional state she would likely go along with.

waht I am saying is that you say, "why am I always having problems", but then you say she was good for you most of the time. So, it isn't "always", it's sometimes. welcome to the world. we all have bad days with our horses.
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post #16 of 69 Old 04-10-2014, 02:09 AM
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I am a beginner also, but kind of in the same boat as you. I've done a ton of research and talked to several people here and at my barn. Here is my feedback for you:

Your attitude has a big effect on the horse emotionally. I'm guessing based on several posts I've read by you on the forum that you get on the horse very stressed out and nervous. You expect something bad to happen because something always does.

Someone once said somewhere that horses are mirrors of ourselves. You can't expect to get on a horse while you're nervous and have a great lesson, because the horse will pick up on that and figure you must have a great reason for being nervous and therefore it should be nervous too. Then it acts out, you get more nervous, and it escalates to the point where the horse just wants you OFF.

I've been very nervous riding myself, so I know the only solution to not being nervous is to start back from the beginning. Just saying, "I'm not going to be nervous," will not work! Confidence is what gets rid of nerves and you can't have confidence if your skills are lacking.

SOLUTION: Ask your instructor to do easy, easy basic lessons for a while so you can build your confidence back up. That's what I did. It worked really well.

Just a few weeks ago you were posting that you gripped the horse too much with your legs. That means you need to work on your seat, your balance, your cues, basically almost everything. If you can't trot without stirrups and without bouncing, you shouldn't be cantering. It sounds like your instructor has pushed you too hard, too fast, and now you're suffering the fallout.

Riding should be fun. A challenge, but not a death match. Find another instructor, and if you can't, have a heart-to-heart and tell her/him that you need to start fresh and build on your foundation first. This could even mean going to a longe line and learning to ride first without reins and stirrups. I hear there's nothing better for learning balance than that!

And for some inspiration, a video for you from the Spanish riding school in Vienna. Watch these guys do their training on the longe line! The longe line stuff starts in the last minute of video 1 and continues in the beginning of video 2.

“When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk: he trots the air; the earth sings when he touches it; the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. ” ~ William Shakespeare
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post #17 of 69 Old 04-13-2014, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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hi, thank you to everyone for sharing

I have been off the radar as I have been busy with work.

I find that i only get into a bad spell whenever I get serious about improving.. i.e. get more conscious about how i place my legs, try too hard to engage the horse..

I have real issues with making a horse listen to me.. I really don;t know how to do this. They seemed to be extremely defiant once they realise I am scared. But i have seen other scared riders too but they don't get bullied to such an extent. I want to improve, but i don't want to have accidents like this again. It's one thing if I fall off a horse if she gets spooked but it's different if it's a horse who seems determined to get me off.. and is rebellious.. and it's a horse that has never given anyone else such problems.. except for me.
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post #18 of 69 Old 04-13-2014, 10:59 AM
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Well sorry to say if the horse only gives you problems, then it is you that is the issue!

Tense nervous unbalanced rider, like it or not it is you and your body upsetting the horse. How do I know? Because it was brought home to me very clearly when I rode a rented horse at a reining clinic.

My horse is an Angel, no attitude, but he foes struggle with some things, funny that the first horse I rode in the clinic also had problems in the same areas, didn't take much to work out that my body is the issue. Then I got swapped onto a horse who I know is brilliant, and it was a disaster, my faults worried him, he got faster, I got tense, I got heavy on his mouth, and he tried to cart me. It was a great reminder that less is more, less pressure in the cues you give, lighten the leg and hand, ride with your mind, to steal a quote,

I would also suggest a lunge lesson if you can, work on your position and balance without having to worry about controlling your horse. A gym ball is also a great thing to have, you can work on your balance at home!
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post #19 of 69 Old 04-13-2014, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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Hi, i actually get even more scared on lunge lessons. Want to know why? Cos even the sweetest horse will keep running inwards when I am on the lunge.., Doesn't listen to me, keep pulling head forward or tossing head.. And because I am on a tight leash, I feel even scared. I actually do better without the lunge than on the lunge. I am hopeless.

The funny thing is I have never had an accident during a trail ride, cos the horse follows. It's only when I try to make a horse listen to me that we have problems.

I thought Pebbles (the horse that I have been riding for two months and threw me off last week) and I were a team.. She really broke my heart. I have been giving her carrots after lesson, and talking to her a lot, massaging her neck. Everything was fine till last week. I told her during the lesson that I forgot her carrots this time. I know this sounds absolutely batty.. but i am kinda wondering if she understood. and that was what pissed her off
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post #20 of 69 Old 04-13-2014, 12:45 PM
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OK, do they run inwards on both directions on the lunge? If so it is your balance that is bad rather than one side of your body being stronger.

I'm still saying that to cure this you may need to go back to the lunge, and work on it, also see if your barn, or you at home can fit up something like this

Now credit for that goes to one of our members and I can't remember who, sorry.

You need an instructor who can talk you through on the ground, if you aren't getting it where you are, then maybe you need to move!
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