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    10-21-2011, 04:46 PM
  #1
Foal
too big to ride.. please help me

So there's this woman at the place I ride. My guess would be that she weighs around 260 lbs,
And she has an arab/haflinger-cross. The horse is 7 years old, and now has injuries in it's front leg and a sore back.
She claims that the horse is crazywild because it bucks(or tries to) whenever she sits a trot, and tries
To get away when she puts her weight in the stirrup to get up. She also claims that he's a bad jumper
Because he struggles to jump higher than 1.6 feet. She can't sit a trot without bumping around, and as if
That isn't enough the saddle is also way too small for her butt. Half her butt actually hangs over the back
Of the seat, but she can't get a bigger saddle because the horses back is too short. She had a saddle-expert come
Out to check the saddlefit, because he had this sore back, and she was told to highly consider getting a shorter
Saddle. So here we have a tiny horse carrying around a poor fitted saddle and 260 lbs woman.
Now the saddest part is that she is going to have this beautiful horse put down, because of all of the above.
Even worse is, she is considering buying a purebred arabian instead! Not once have she considered that
The issues this horse have, is because of her weight. I know her horse from the previous owner and he
Was the sweetest and most well-behaved horse, he was never sick or injured. He was also a pretty good jumper,
Considering his age. It breaks my heart to see this horse ruined and soon to be put down, and I can't bear to
See a new horse go trough the same thing, just because SHE enjoys riding.

What am I going to do? I know it's not my problem, but my consciousness just won't let me stand there and watch another
Even slimmer horse get ruined. Nothing wrong with calling a thin girl thin, or telling the long-legged girl that
She's too big for that shetland pony, but calling a fat person fat is taboo. Why? In a sport where living creatures
Are carrying around our weight, shouldn't we be a little selfconscious about our weight?

Contacting the owner of the new horse she's buying isn't going to help either. She's probably going to do what she did
Buying her last horse; tell the owner that the horse is for her daughter, and trail riding for herself one or two
Times a month. Sadly the reality is that she does dressage 4 times a week and jumping 1-2 times.
     
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    10-21-2011, 04:52 PM
  #2
Foal
Have a chat with the people in charge of the barn...that's about all you can do really.

I'm a larger rider, weight wise, and have two ponies. Neither have had lameness or soreness issues--one is a smaller, leaner gaited pony, the other is a stocky haflinger. However, I'm careful with what we do, I make sure they stay in shape, and they get regular acupressure and massage and body work from me. I'm also careful to make sure I ride 110% to my ability to help them as well. We do some long, tough rides (trail riding) and I've yet to have any "ouchie issues" with either. I also make sure each has a properly fitted saddle, for me and them....saddle fit is SO important, no matter what the riders size. If it doesn't fit the horse, it hurts them, if it doesn't fit the rider, it doesn't allow the rider to effectively ride.

I hope someone can have a chat with this woman and her instructors too perhaps?
     
    10-21-2011, 04:53 PM
  #3
Showing
Unless you're willing and able to take on the horse she currently has, there's nothing you can do.

She KNOWS she's fat, and someone else telling her isn't going to suddenly make her realize she's too big for the horse. All you're going to do is make her angry.

If the seller of the new horse has no qualms about taking money from this woman, then it's on them.

You're not the Fat Police, and unless you plan to buy up every horse she looks at so she can't get her hands on it, you're out of luck.
     
    10-21-2011, 05:17 PM
  #4
Trained
You know even if you tried to talk to her you wouldn't have any success because everything about the way that post is written shows that you have no sympathy for the fat person at all. I do understand that you are concerned for the welfare of the horse but the descriptions make me cringe.

An Arab/Haflinger cross, shouldn't in theory be to bad a choice for a larger rider, both breeds have good weight carrying ability, partly because of that short broad back which can make both of the parent breeds a nightmare to fit a saddle to.

Without seeing this person ride it is difficult to say that she caused the issues that the horse now has, although on balance (or lack of it) it does sound like it is a rider issue.

If you are just another rider at the stables then there is not a lot you can do, but if there is a trainer or instructor that she works with, then they may be able to make some suggestions. Please also remember that weight in itself is not always the issue, but weight and poor riding and or poorly fitted tack, certainly can be, so help in equitation and a tack upgrade may be as helpful as this person losing weight.

OH, and I wouldn't tell a long legged person that they are to tall for a Shetland, when it comes to a properly bred genuine Shetland they will tell you when enough is enough!!
     
    10-21-2011, 09:20 PM
  #5
Foal
I am 245 pounds. My horse that inride very very lightly, like for all of 20 minutes, just walking with an occasional trot or short lived canter is 16 hands and is a somewhat stocky paint. I have researched and constantly question if I'm "too big" for her. She obviously prefers to ride my 40 pound five year old around, but doesn't seem to mind going for a ride and often "asks" me to let her run. We are starting tom put a little endurance on her by lunging her and asking her to take me for a walk with her for longer periods. She barely breaks a sweat when we ride, but I long for a draft cross, to make me feel better. Until then, her and I eat apples and carrots together and I volunteer to do any of the grunt work around the ranch in an effort to lose some of this weight. I miss the days of being the gorgeous bikini wearing bareback rider I once was. What might help me not be so critical is if someone posted a flyer at the barn offering advice how to properly fit a saddle AND rider to your horse. ( or in disguise, a potential horse you are buying). I've been told that the rider should be approximately 20% of the horses weight.nmalso include how to measure your horse to get a guesstimate of your horses weight. It would look like someone trying to help people choose the right horse for them while preventing injury. Subtle, but if I did the math, I would feel bad on my own without needing to defend myself to someone who is judging me.
     
    10-21-2011, 09:40 PM
  #6
Trained
Granted, if she's a P*** poor rider, her weight is not going to help but I've seen skinny minnies who ride so poorly that I cringe when I see them beating their horses backs to pieces because they can't be bothered to learn to ride properly.

It's the same principal as people hollering, "OMG You're not going to ride that horse in that SPADE bit are you?" when I've had friends bloody their horse's mouths with a fat, smooth snaffle.

If you are not a good rider you can hurt the horse, doesn't matter how big or small you are. So if you're going to comment on anything then comment on her skills as a rider and suggest more training for her, that's more to the issue than her weight.
     
    10-22-2011, 04:08 AM
  #7
Foal
I do not have sympathy for her, no. I don't see why I should. She is not fat because of some rare illness, she is fat because of what she eats, and riding is after all not a human right. looking at this video, should I feel sorry for the man because of his eating habbits? I feel more sorry for the horse.
And yes, a poor rider of a small size can defiantly hurt a horse too! But 260 pounds bumping around in a small saddle vs. 120 pounds bumping around in the saddle, just ain't the same thing. And just because a horse can be hurt one more cruel way, does that make it okay to hurt the horse in other ways?
I know being fat isn't fun, i've been a tad overweight my self too, but when I got my depression and put on some extra pounds, I chose to ride a bigger and stronger horse at the riding school. First when I lost the weight again, I went back to riding my favorite pony, cause he sure shouldn't suffer the slightest due to my issues and bad eating habbits!
     
    10-22-2011, 11:19 AM
  #8
Showing
i do not have sympathy for her, no. I don't see why I should. She is not fat because of some rare illness, she is fat because of what she eats, and riding is after all not a human right.

You know this exactly how? Do you live with her and follow her around, watching what she puts in her mouth? I'd say no you don't, so you have zero proof that she's just some lazy, fat slob who overeats.

She may very well be overweight because of her food choices, but again, that's none of your business.

I can understand that you're concerned for the horses, but putting on your judgy pants and being a snotty beast to her isn't going to make her suddenly say, "Oh my! Yes, you're right! I have seen the light and will quit riding until I've lost some weight, since I'm obviously a big, fat slob and have no business on a horse!" :roll:

Riding isn't a privilege, it's a RIGHT for those who can afford a horse.
     
    10-22-2011, 12:18 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by Plymus    
i do not have sympathy for her, no. I don't see why I should. She is not fat because of some rare illness, she is fat because of what she eats, and riding is after all not a human right.
And now I have lost all respect for you, how DARE you make a judgement of why this person is fat, you do not know, as SR says do you follow her around all day watching what she eats? No you don't.

Look I really do get the point of a large person hurting a horse, I truly understand that concern, and yes I have a horse on this race because *GASP* I weigh 260 pounds and I ride.

No I do not have a rare disease, my metabolism works as it should as far as I know, I do know I'm an easy keeper, I will be alive in the famine long after many die because I convert my intake to fat really efficiently. I also have an addiction to food, would I rather be 100 pound lighter, hell yes, and I did lose all the weight, only to put it back on.

Am I stupid, no, I'm of above average intelligence, but this is a battle for me, one I have waged all of my life and will continue to wage. Let me tell you if it were simple I would be thin, but it just isn't for some people, and no amount of people judging me will change any of that.

Dreamcatchers post is worth repeating here

Quote:
Arabians Granted, if she's a P*** poor rider, her weight is not going to help but I've seen skinny minnies who ride so poorly that I cringe when I see them beating their horses backs to pieces because they can't be bothered to learn to ride properly.

It's the same principal as people hollering, "OMG You're not going to ride that horse in that SPADE bit are you?" when I've had friends bloody their horse's mouths with a fat, smooth snaffle.

If you are not a good rider you can hurt the horse, doesn't matter how big or small you are. So if you're going to comment on anything then comment on her skills as a rider and suggest more training for her, that's more to the issue than her weight.
     
    10-22-2011, 12:41 PM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plymus    
i do not have sympathy for her, no. I don't see why I should. She is not fat because of some rare illness, she is fat because of what she eats, and riding is after all not a human right.
As someone else mentioned, HOW DARE YOU PRESUME TO JUDGE ANYONE? You aren't God Almighty and have no right to cast aspersions on any person.

Here's the best advice you will get on this thread:

Shut up, mind your own business and mind your manners. Your commentary is neither invited nor wanted by the person you are being so judgemental about.
     

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