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        12-11-2012, 10:10 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Oooh that is very dishonest. I would talk to her about it and if she gives you an excuse or continues putting you on unsuitable horse's I'd tell her where to go and move on to a place that cares more about your well being than where you are now. Horses are dangerous enough if you are being safe!

    There is a saying - green and green equals black and blue. You are correct in that you need to be riding dependable horses who know what they are doing so that you can learn! While it might be "common" for some people - to me it is a huuuuge red flag!! Amateurs in general (ie people who ride for fun) should never be put on anything green unless they are accomplished enough to really ride it. I recently watched a girl on a young horse get bucked off and the horse tried to double barrel her on the way down. The horse bucked because the girl tensed up and that's it. I always think that a rider on a horse should be able to handle anything that horse does. If they can't, then they need to be put on a different horse. There is being challenged, and then there is being plain stupid. Don't let yourself get lumped in the latter category.

    I find far more often than not, new riders or new horse people have way more common sense than supposedly seasoned horse people. Just because those of us who have been in the business for a while see stupidity as common place does not make it acceptable. OP, please trust your gut and make a change before you get gravely injured!
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        12-11-2012, 10:23 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    I absolutely agree with Anebel. I'm also thinking about the training of the horses. Their training is going to severely suffer in the hands of a rider who is not yet experienced enough to train. They are likely to wind up with bad habits that will have to be fixed down the road.
         
        12-11-2012, 10:32 PM
      #13
    Trained
    You are paying for lessons on a safe horse, no? Tell her you don't feel safe on the horses she is putting you on and she has nothing suitable, you will be going someplace that does. Remember, you are the one paying her.
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        12-11-2012, 10:46 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Putting you on a green horse does not make much sense to me unless you know what a broke, trained horse feels like.
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        12-11-2012, 10:55 PM
      #15
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    Putting you on a green horse does not make much sense to me unless you know what a broke, trained horse feels like.
    I think this is what happened with me....I rode all the showing horses first for a long time then 'graduated' to the youngsters.....and yes I did notice a big difference in them! It felt like I went from an automatic transmission to a stick shift!!!
         
        12-11-2012, 10:55 PM
      #16
    Trained
    I'm thinking that she's trying to bump you out of your comfort zone so that you can progress. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like it's working. After 2 years of lessons, I would expect you to be able to sit a canter more than for just a few strides. I would address 2 things at your next lesson. #1, telling her you aren't comfortable on the newer, greener horses and that you want to go back to your comfort zone and #2, I would talk to her about what is holding you back from being able to sit a canter. Is it fear? Stiffness? Lack of rythm? What is her opinion? Maybe ask for some lessons on a lunge line so that all you have to concentrate on is the motion and staying with it.

    There's no shame in wanting to be back on a good old Steady Eddy. As we progress in our horse lives, especially if we start out as kids, I think we start with the Dead Head that you can do anything to, then progress to Steady Eddy, then up to maybe a little hotter, spicier horse that challenges us to improve, to the greenies for the adrenaline and then as we get older and figure out we're mortal, we come back to the Steady Eddies. They're some pretty darn good horses!
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        12-11-2012, 10:58 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Joe I always love your to the point comments!

    Myboypuck That's true. I wouldn't ever rule out a horse for being too young if he/she was the right horse for me. I know some young horses that are old souls. And that is true about an older horse with bad habits being worse. These horses are just not for me. They are pretty typical young horses.

    Tessa that is something else I thought of when riding. Am I screwing up this horse? I know I have quiet hands and I'm pretty good with using the least amount of leg as possible, but still. I hate to think this horse is learning the wrong things because of me.



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    I find far more often than not, new riders or new horse people have way more common sense than supposedly seasoned horse people. Just because those of us who have been in the business for a while see stupidity as common place does not make it acceptable.
    this made me lol, but I see what you mean. I read this board so much and I have an idea of how things are supposed to be. Then when you see something in real life that doesn't seem very safe, it's like

    The other thing that bothered me was she didn't tell me the horse was young. She just told me I'd be riding this horse today. I got on and the horse was all over the place. It made me feel like it was my first day in the saddle. I asked what is going on and then she told me that the horse is only 3 and she's still just learning. I think my face was pretty much
    This happened the next two lessons with different green horses. I like her so much. And I can see how a trainer would think, "Hmmm give a lesson, give this horse some wet blankets = two birds, one stone and all that." Just not for me. 25 years ago I would have had a blast. Not now.
         
        12-11-2012, 11:06 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    I think this is what happened with me....I rode all the showing horses first for a long time then 'graduated' to the youngsters.....and yes I did notice a big difference in them! It felt like I went from an automatic transmission to a stick shift!!!
    LOL....But because you rode the broke/showing horses you knew what they felt like and that gave you something to work towards with your colts.
    I started out on the other end, I could start a colt and get him going but after a certain point I didn't know what to do with them or knew what "right" felt like. (I am still like that, but at least it is pushing farther ahead..tee hehehe!)

    It is a mixed bag for sure. You can't have one without the other I suppose, eventually it is beneficial to learn both ends.
         
        12-11-2012, 11:18 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    I think you're right to question your trainer's decision to have you ride her green horses. You need to learn the basics on a well trained school horse so you can gain knowledge and skill before you can ride a less predictable less schooled horses. There's plenty of time to ride green horses in the future if you so choose to.
         
        12-12-2012, 09:27 AM
      #20
    Showing
    Not to come across rude, but sounds like your instructor is not doing a good job. Not being able to canter after couple years of lessons is a big red flag that something is not quite right about say lessons (unless you have some physical issue that holds you back). Also no, it's NOT OK to put a student who is not very advanced on untrained green horse. I've never seen it around with exception of one (very crappy) place. Frankly, if I'd be you I'd look for a different place to take lessons...
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