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    11-10-2010, 02:31 PM
  #1
Foal
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Recently I received a DVD from BSJA about flatwork for showjumping..
I was however shocked to see them teaching flying changes over a pole and saying that this produces a "true change"..
Obviously changing lead over a pole results in the horse changing its front legs first as these are the ones that land on the ground first, and then following the new lead with the hind legs... when they then demonstrated the change without the pole the horse changed (as it should) front back to front. How can the leading body of showjumping not then see that teaching changes over a pole do not produce the horse to change "true" as it encourages changing infront first..
It is all very well having very expensive horses that have near perfect conformation and willingness (as was the horse in the video) so can perform changes easy, but what about the others?
when I bought my horse they said he wouldnt change lead, however with a lot of shoulder elevation (phillipe karl method) he can do them easily...
I was just wondering about comments and questions about what people consider a "true" change to be and how they teach them?
     
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    11-10-2010, 05:18 PM
  #2
Weanling
In my past experiences, a pole was not used to teach lead changes, but to reinforce the aid. Since the horse was forced to change over the pole due to the nature of the exercise, they learn to understand the cue. Then when the pole is removed, they wait for the cue to change.
     
    11-10-2010, 05:42 PM
  #3
mls
Trained
We teach on a figure 8. Two big circles. When you come back to x, trot step and change the lead. Eventually you don't have to bring them down to the trot.
     
    11-10-2010, 06:25 PM
  #4
Green Broke
I do it the same way as MLS. I do find that teaching them over a pole or small jump will make them late behind.

One thing I do hate is teaching flying chanfges before they teach counter canter. It is sooooo difficult to get counter canter if they are taught changes first as they tend to change rather then balance themselves. Much easier to teach counter canter first.

You should be able to ask a horse to strike off on the straight on any leg you want it too. Picking up the canter in a corner to get the correct leg is for baby's and novices, anything more advanced should be able to pick up the correct leg on the straight.
     
    11-10-2010, 06:35 PM
  #5
Yearling
Subsricibing - As I teach over a pole, I find it works and there not late.
     
    11-10-2010, 06:39 PM
  #6
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by mls    
We teach on a figure 8. Two big circles. When you come back to x, trot step and change the lead. Eventually you don't have to bring them down to the trot.
this is how I was told by another HF user. Just need to try it with Tess I can and do change leads over a jump.

Oh wait I thought this was about flying changes, not simple changes. My mistake haha lol
     
    11-10-2010, 06:46 PM
  #7
Trained
Poles are just another method of teaching them. Works for some horses, doesn't work for others. It depends on the horse, some are 'predisposed' I guess you could say, to changing late behind, others will change clean from the get go.
A method I like is to first get the counter canter very strong - as someone above mentioned, if you do not have a strong, balanced counter canter before you start changes, you're going to run into big problems when you start NEEDING the horse to stay in counter canter. I'll put the horse into counter canter on a 20m circle, say on the left rein and cantering right lead, and ask from that, so a half halt in the CC, and ask for the change. Asking on the circle from counter canter aids balance so you're not 'throwing' the horse across to change leads, naturally changing leads back to the left lead is going to be more comfortable than counter cantering the circle, so most horses tend to get a clean change almost straight off.
But again, just depends on the horse, this method doesn't work for some, they get too clued into being able to change in counter canter and you have to start changing them from a true canter back to a true canter on the opposite lead.
     
    11-10-2010, 06:56 PM
  #8
Trained
I agree with Kayty . They should have a balanced counter canter before training flying changes. This thread is very educational
     
    11-11-2010, 10:15 PM
  #9
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by leni09    
obviously changing lead over a pole results in the horse changing its front legs first as these are the ones that land on the ground first, and then following the new lead with the hind legs...

The pole method does NOT necessarily result in a horse changing front first and can be used in teaching a true change. When a horse changes in the front and not the back it means the hind end is not engaged and "quick" enough. What the pole does is encourage a horse to pick up their hind legs more to swap. It's a bit of a "trick" but one that can be successful.
     
    11-11-2010, 10:41 PM
  #10
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by upnover    
The pole method does NOT necessarily result in a horse changing front first and can be used in teaching a true change. When a horse changes in the front and not the back it means the hind end is not engaged and "quick" enough. What the pole does is encourage a horse to pick up their hind legs more to swap. It's a bit of a "trick" but one that can be successful.

I agree I teach this method, it has always proven succsesful for me I think its personal prefernce some work and some don't, you just find the one for you and your horse.
     

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