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        12-13-2009, 01:32 PM
    I agree with Thunderhooves and 21Animals start separating them. I wouldn't let Lulu follow you out on a ride either it's just encouraging the behavior. You need to teach Arthur to pay attention to you not Lulu. Circles, gait changes, serpentines, direction changes are all your friend. At this point it doesn't sound like he respects you as the leader so he doesn't listen to you.
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        12-13-2009, 01:42 PM
    I'll take him out alone this week and get him to pay attention. Do you think spurs or a crop would help reinforce that I'm the boss?
        12-13-2009, 02:24 PM
    Is he bucking/rearing/spinning? Or just refusing to go forward? I didn't really see anything terrible in the video, it actually seemed like you were letting him stop and wait for her.

    I don't have very much experience with spurs so I'll leave that alone. A well-placed "smack" MAY be helpful, however you could run the risk of him figuring that he only needs to listen when you have the cropp with.

    Personally I would just use your legs and seat to encourage him to move forward. The old "ask, tell, demand" can work wonders. It really is amazing how much "pressure" you can put on a horse using just your body and "normal" tack. Just be sure to let up right when he gives you what you want. Even if he gives just the littlest bit, release the pressure. He might go right back to balking, but he'll start to figure out that pressure goes away when he gives you what you're asking for and it should be long before 1 step = a nice forward ride.
        12-13-2009, 03:30 PM
    In the video, I was telling him to stop because my mom, who was filming, was telling me to wait for Lulu. Arthur went forward on my command because he knew she was following. I wish I could get a video of what he's like when I take him out and leave her in the barn....I'll try to. When we go out without her, he doesn't buck or rear, but he does try to spin around so I have to keep a tight hold on him. He cranes his neck around and tries to go the other direction, which is towards her. When I do walk him in the direction of the barn where Lulu is, it's all I can do to keep him at a walk. He fights the bit in an effort to get to her. What works with him sometimes to slow him down when I'm leading him is a slap to the stomach with the ends of the reins. I wonder if I should try that?
        12-13-2009, 04:08 PM
    Going away from the barn I would just ride out the spins. Keeping him moving forward and keep asking him to pay attention to you. Try serpentines, gait changes, halts, etc.

    Going towards the barn this is what worked for me and buddy sour horses before. He would also try to rush home. I would turn towards home and ask for a slow calm walk on a loose rein. The second he sped up, I turned him around and we trotted away from the house. We did some serpentines, circles, etc, basically made him "work". Went maybe half a block, I turned around and again asked for a slow calm walk on a loose rein. The second he started to speed up we turned around and repeated the above manuevers.

    To be honest I don't think you're going to get anywhere by popping him with the reins/crop/spurs when you want him to slow down and listen to you. What you want is him to calm down and pay attn to you. By using reins/crop/spurs in the way you're talking about all you're going to do is ramp him up. The problem is that he doesn't look to you as a leader and he doesn't trust you to take care of the problem (being away from his "herd") because you haven't yet proven yourself to be the leader of the herd.I would try all of this in a safe area relatively close to the barn to start out with, gradually move further away as he starts paying attention to you.

    Another thing that may help is some basic groundwork. Really basic stuff here: walk him around on a lead, practice backing up, turn on forehand, yeild hindquarters, and things like that. I actually started this in the paddock where he lives. I tied the mare that he was/is in love with right outside the paddock and walked him around inside. I made him pay attention to me by not being predictable in my requests. Ex. Walk forward, halt, back up, walk, turn, halt, yield hindquarters, etc. After a couple sessions of this we moved outside the paddock boundaries while the mare was kept inside the paddock. Same type of groundwork. Then we walked up the driveway. Then I rode him away from the paddock. I only worked on the groundwork for about a week, everyday 10-20 minutes.

    The groundwork should help prevent the problem from occuring in the first place while the first thing I wrote about is what to do if he does it while you're already riding him. If you're really committed to fixing this problem I would work on the ground first then take it to the saddle.

    A very important thing: You need to stay CALM, don't let him ramp you up and get you upset. Keep your emotions under control. This will feed to him too. You'll feel like you're in control and he will respond to that even if only a little bit. At the very least it'll make any action you take hold a lot more weight with him.

    Honestly I see no reason to separate them in their day to day living. In fact I think it's cruel. It's very healthy for them to have a herd they really enjoy being with. You just need to teach him that you are the leader and the most important person in the herd.
        12-13-2009, 04:40 PM
    Thanks. I'll try walking him towards the barn and turning him around when he speeds up. If that doesn't work I'll go back to groundwork for a week or two, and then move on to riding him.
        12-13-2009, 04:54 PM
    Good luck, keep us updated!
        12-13-2009, 07:36 PM
    You are continuing to enable his behavior by giving in and having Lulu out with him; so he doesn't like it? WHO CARES!!!! Start taking him out, and working with him separately, period... He needs to learn to obey you whether he wants to or not. Pen Lulu, and just start taking him for walks, or take him out, groom him and put him back out...start out 'short' but he does not get Lulu out with him, no matter how much he hollers. He is with the other horses 24\7, he can listen to you for an hour or so out of that day.
        12-19-2009, 08:17 PM
    Just ignore his annoying issue, if he doesn't move forward or wants to turn back YOU make him keep going. Don't became abusive/mean but make him move forward. Be stubborn, don't give up and get lulu if he doesn't do what you want. If he does do something good reward him with your voice, a pat, etc.
    Do everything seperate, feed them seperatley, groom, lunge, etc. If possible even put them in seperate fields/paddocks (that are next to each other). If this is not at all possible begin slow till they/he gets over it.
    So just keep doing everything with them seperate. It may feel like your are being mean but he will have to deal with it and start realizing he will return to lulu AFTER being ridden or whatever you are doing with him at the time. My pony used to be really herd bound and scream when I rode him out on the trails alone but I just told him 'it sucks to be him' and he had to get used to being alone and returning to his herd after the ride. Another coulkd be when I was getting my pony used to being alone I got a person to walk with me the first few times when I went hacking alone, this made him feel a bit more secure but not relying on his attatchment to the herd.
    Keep persistent and try to do everything seperate!
        12-25-2009, 09:14 AM
    Now Arthur's not letting me catch him to ride because he knows I'm taking him away from lulu. Yesterday it took me 20 minutes to catch him

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