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    04-12-2011, 08:37 PM
  #1
Foal
Unhappy urgent: response needed? [rolling horse]

Okay, hey guys :)
I have my first horse. It's a long story with us, he used to be a riding school horse and I had him on loan when I was 11-12 years old (I'm now 16) I moved riding schools then just over 3 months ago went to visit him to find out he was a companion horse as he started rolling with people in the arena. Basically long story short, he was given to me, as the riding school owner knew I love him more than anything in the world.

He rolls with me in the arena, he loves hacking and jumping though. I really don't know what to do.. I have started Parelli natural horsemanship to try get a bond to see if he'll trust me.
I find it strange how much energy and how happy he is on hacks, he'll walk and trot no problem. But when I ride in the school he'll stop, I'll kick him, he'll do a mini rear then go down.

My confidence is suffering with this, I love Mystery more than anything and he isn't the youngest (about 20 years old) he has alot of energy left and I don't want to get rid of him.

Using riding crops and kicking him doesn't work, he'll just go down.
I would really appreciate your help guys, I love my horse more than anything and I've had him about 3 months at the moment
     
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    04-12-2011, 08:44 PM
  #2
Showing
He doesn't respect you - it has nothing to do with trust. He feels a soft surface (sand) and doesn't care that you're in the saddle, he wants to roll.
What have you done so far to try and stop him? What I would suggest is really getting after him. Carry a crop, and let him know that it is completely unacceptable to drop and roll while carrying a rider. He's gotten away with it, and now he thinks it's his right to do as he pleases - and talk about a dangerous habit!
     
    04-12-2011, 08:58 PM
  #3
Foal
Crops don't work ;/ they make him rear sometimes when you use them, as he had a bit of trouble with crops when he was younger..
Basically what I have done so far is, I have tried the crop which hasn't made any difference. I have gotten straight back on him after he has done this. He will be fine for a few minutes then do it again? I don't get him at all.
     
    04-12-2011, 08:59 PM
  #4
Foal
Justdressageit is right, he has a lack of respect going on here. If using the crop doesn't work, I would get off of him and longe him or round pen him till he is dripping sweat and joins up with you, meaning he doesn't turn his butt to you when stopped, he will face you, and "join" up. Than get on him again, if he drops and rolls, make him work his butt off again. He needs to realize that fine if he wants to do that, he is not getting out of work, in fact he is going to have to work even harder. Horses are lazy animals by nature, he will figure out that by rolling he is not getting out of work anymore.

If you don't know how to lunge or round pen, I would suggest finding someone at your riding school who has experience with this.

Good luck!
     
    04-12-2011, 09:00 PM
  #5
Foal
I lunge him quite a lot, infact, I have let him off the lunge to walk around the arena and he doesn't even try to roll? It's only when I'm riding him :(
     
    04-12-2011, 09:04 PM
  #6
Weanling
^^ Totally agree with previous posts. Do everything you can to not let him get his head down. Once it's down it becomes 100x harder to win the battle. I've found that noises often assist with correction. Come up with your own "noise" that lets him know what he's doing is not okay. (A loud "NO" or something else. Mine is a very annoying, harsh "uh eh" noise, not sure how to spell it haha). Also, even smacking the crop on leather to make a loud noise can help. My gelding responds a lot better to noises than kicks or crops, I guess it just sounds extra scary haha.

On a kind of different topic... Did he just randomly start doing this? Was it after an injury/time off? Are you using the same saddle he first began to roll in? It could be a respect issue compounded with ill-fitting saddle. If you try all this and it doesn't work, I would suggest calling out the vet or chiro and get him checked out, just to make sure it's not something that needs medical help.
     
    04-12-2011, 09:06 PM
  #7
Showing
I would never allow the rolling to continue. If he starts to go down, jump off and do NOT let him roll. Get him up - make noise, give him a tap, DO NOT let him think "oh, she's letting me roll... must be fine then!" Waiting till after he's rolled to punish him will not work - you have to get after him immediately. If you can handle it, ride with a halter on, and if he starts to go down, immediately start lunging him, and let him know that he's looking at MORE work if he tries to go down. Spurs? If he starts to rear, there are ways to deal with that - but basically, he's throwing a temper tantrum, and I would not allow that. Pull his nose to your boot, and disengage those hindquarters. Neither behaviour is acceptable in the least.
If he's rearing, it might be above your skill level, and there's nothing wrong with that. Can you work with a trainer?
     
    04-12-2011, 09:06 PM
  #8
Foal
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Originally Posted by HorseLover123    
I lunge him quite a lot, infact, I have let him off the lunge to walk around the arena and he doesn't even try to roll? It's only when I'm riding him :(
Sorry but I think your missing the point. When I say longe him, you have to make his butt work. Not leisurely circles, transitioning gaites. Let him know he did wrong. Now I am not suggesting beating him in anyway, and of course he doesn't roll when you let him loose, your not on his back making him do what you want him to do. Make sense?

He is rolling in the arena to get out of work for whatever reason. Obviously he enjoys the trails, and understands the arena is for work. He is not respecting you and knows how to get out of work.

If he tries to roll, start spinning him in a circle, using your outside leg, boot him if you have to to break him from going down. If that doesnt work, get off and lunge him FAST, make him WORK.
     
    04-12-2011, 09:07 PM
  #9
Foal
What Mystery does is, he stops then I kick him and tell him to move. He usually does a mini rear when I give him a kick (in which he takes the reins from my hands by pulling very hard!) he has a different saddle but the riding school owner always used the same size for him. He never did this the first few years he was used in the riding school. He was out in a field with another horse for a year and a half but he is being brought back slowly
     
    04-12-2011, 09:10 PM
  #10
Foal
Major, I will try that next time I try.

Dressage, he has had very experienced riders on him and they just kept him moving. (I have been riding 7 years and I'm not used to rearing but they are really small and I don't fall off) I don't think a trainer would work much at the moment
     

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