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        10-12-2010, 11:57 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Ok. I am taking notes! :)

    At the gate she usually does one of a few things. She bolts (I can slow her down from a bolt no problem) but then she stops at the gate. Often, as we circle towards it she will just about run me into the fence. I turn her so that she runs herself into it instead of ripping my leg off, but then we are at a stop again. Once she is at a stop, at the gate, she is very hard to get going. Last time we were doing good, but then she decided it was dinner time and she was done. I got her going around, but she just listened less and less. I finally got her around once, then we walked around a few times.
    I am going to try to go to the barn Thursday but probably won't have time to ride. She is also very very stubborn about picking up her front feet for cleaning (she wasn't treated to well before her owner bought her) so I am going to jsut go and groom her and work on getting her to pick up her feet. Some days she does fine, but with her it is like once she makes up her mind, good luck convincing her otherwise! I of course, don't let her win, but that often means that I spend as much time trying to clean her feet as I do riding, and a lot of time riding trying to get her past the gate. :roll: Those 2 things are her biggest issues. Other than that she is such a sweet little horse. But she is very much a boss mare...
         
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        10-12-2010, 11:58 PM
      #12
    Foal
    BTW...this is Shadow. :) She is a QH, and about 14-15 hands. I'm 5'1" if it gives you any size reference.
         
        10-13-2010, 12:36 AM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    Crop is ok, don't worry.

    Hi,
    You and Shadow are really cute together.
    Mare's are special. They just take more finesse, and to be honest, I just prefer geldings. But , mares are special.
    Anyway, after getting off topic there, I ride with a dressage whip, or a crop, or a piece of a willow twig, or whatever I can use to make an impression on my horse that he will remember and respect.
    If he thinks he wants to argue with me about which branch in the trail to take; the one I want vs the one that goes home, I let him make the mistake of trying to go home, I lift the rein to my direction and gently put a leg on, then I raise my voice and add more rein pressure , then I take the whip and smack him behind my leg.
    OR, if it is a minor arguement or the horse is just not paying attention to my request, after "ask" and "tell", I lightly smack my own booted lower leg, the sound of the whip hitting my leg wakes my horse up and he says "yes ma'am!".
    One thing I would like to add here regarding using a whip/crop to get forward out of the horse. If you asked with your leg, asked firmly and now have to apply a crop, remember what you are asking for FORWARD, so when you crack him little one he will no doubt bound forward. You mustn't then yank him in the mouth with the reins. If all you wanted was a brisk walk but he gives you a brisk trot in response to the whip, let him go forward freely a bit before asking him to slow down. Otherwise you are punishing his mouth for him doing just what you asked him to do.

    To be honest, it sounds like you have just a bit too much of a luvy-duvy relationship with this mare and not enough of a respect based relationship. Her not lifting her feet for you, that can be another way of her "blowing you off". Does she also run over you when you lead her, or grab offered food before you even put it down? You might consider how you stand in relation to her, She may be boss mare in the horse world, but is she boss mare to YOU too?
    You are petite and cute, but you can be the leader that is needed, I bet.
         
        10-13-2010, 12:55 AM
      #14
    Foal
    I've had my mare for 8 years and always ride with a crop because she behaves better if she knows there's a crop and also carries herself much better, normally she'll get barn sour or really slow, but as soon as I pick up a crop she picks up and behaves lol.
         
        10-13-2010, 01:18 AM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    Hi,
    You and Shadow are really cute together.
    Mare's are special. They just take more finesse, and to be honest, I just prefer geldings. But , mares are special.
    Anyway, after getting off topic there, I ride with a dressage whip, or a crop, or a piece of a willow twig, or whatever I can use to make an impression on my horse that he will remember and respect.
    If he thinks he wants to argue with me about which branch in the trail to take; the one I want vs the one that goes home, I let him make the mistake of trying to go home, I lift the rein to my direction and gently put a leg on, then I raise my voice and add more rein pressure , then I take the whip and smack him behind my leg.
    OR, if it is a minor arguement or the horse is just not paying attention to my request, after "ask" and "tell", I lightly smack my own booted lower leg, the sound of the whip hitting my leg wakes my horse up and he says "yes ma'am!".
    One thing I would like to add here regarding using a whip/crop to get forward out of the horse. If you asked with your leg, asked firmly and now have to apply a crop, remember what you are asking for FORWARD, so when you crack him little one he will no doubt bound forward. You mustn't then yank him in the mouth with the reins. If all you wanted was a brisk walk but he gives you a brisk trot in response to the whip, let him go forward freely a bit before asking him to slow down. Otherwise you are punishing his mouth for him doing just what you asked him to do.

    To be honest, it sounds like you have just a bit too much of a luvy-duvy relationship with this mare and not enough of a respect based relationship. Her not lifting her feet for you, that can be another way of her "blowing you off". Does she also run over you when you lead her, or grab offered food before you even put it down? You might consider how you stand in relation to her, She may be boss mare in the horse world, but is she boss mare to YOU too?
    You are petite and cute, but you can be the leader that is needed, I bet.
    Thanks! :) And you are pretty spot on. Haha I DO need to be more of a boss, and have been told so by her owner, and myself! I have been doing better, it has just been weird getting used to using a crop because I Never used one before riding her. My Mom taught me to ride, and I was never handed a crop, and always told not to hit a horse (of course, meaning beat not smack lol) and me being the literal-minded child I was got it set in my head that crops were mean. Now I know better of course, but it is still hard to erase old thought patterns. Lol
    She refuses to pick up her feet for other people too, not just me. I'm not sure what happened to her, but she was definitely mistreated. Ie her halter and bridle have to be put on backwards from what you normally would as she is Very shy of one ear - someone twisted it! She also balks at taking a bit on occasion. Again, she does all of this with other people so I know it isn't just me. That said, I DO need to be bossier. ;) lol I'm not sure when I will get to ride again, but I am going to work on her feet this week if I can.


    Also, no she doesn't rush me when I am leading she is very polite on the lead. Lol She does try to pull you to graze, but she responds when you pull her head up. She is nosy about her treats, but I don't know about food that I set down. The barn she is boarded at is full care I believe so she is fed by someone else. Right now because of my school schedule I am just riding, but next semester my course load will (hopefully) be a lot lighter and I will be leasing her officially.
         
        10-13-2010, 03:02 AM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    Thank you for the full description. Sounds like a mixed bag.
    Its hard to find that place where you are the confident leader and not the crabby nag. It isn't really about being bossy so much as being very clear with what you say and when you say something, MEAN IT!. So, you have to not only observe how your horse responds to you, but what are you saying to her and are you following up on any requests. You always ASk before demanding, but if you do ask, don't walk away from this until you get an answer, even if it's only a small one. Then, "thank her", which is as important as the request, if not more.
    I think kids find adults that are like that very reassuring; not bossy but very clear with direction and not willing to just forget it.
    Anyway, I hope you get to ride more and just be observant of her and yourself and don't dis or knock yourself for not being assertive enough, just work on it with the same "a little bit better today" sort of attitude you would have whil training a horse. Won't you extend the same empathy, patience and leadership to yourself that you will want to extend to your beloved horse?
         
        10-13-2010, 04:19 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    Thank you for the full description. Sounds like a mixed bag.
    Its hard to find that place where you are the confident leader and not the crabby nag. It isn't really about being bossy so much as being very clear with what you say and when you say something, MEAN IT!. So, you have to not only observe how your horse responds to you, but what are you saying to her and are you following up on any requests. You always ASk before demanding, but if you do ask, don't walk away from this until you get an answer, even if it's only a small one. Then, "thank her", which is as important as the request, if not more.
    I think kids find adults that are like that very reassuring; not bossy but very clear with direction and not willing to just forget it.
    Anyway, I hope you get to ride more and just be observant of her and yourself and don't dis or knock yourself for not being assertive enough, just work on it with the same "a little bit better today" sort of attitude you would have whil training a horse. Won't you extend the same empathy, patience and leadership to yourself that you will want to extend to your beloved horse?
    Very true. I do tend to be hard on myself in general. hehe We have been working on it together, and are definitely getting better, but there is still work to be done for both Shadow and myself. I went on a 3 hour long trail ride the other day on the BO's Westerm show horse (ooooh man was he a nice ride! Smoothest gait I have ever felt! ) and I feel like I learned a lot from him (the horse). I have been out of the horse scene for a while, and having 3 hours at a nice smooth pace with a cooperative horse really gave me a chance to work out a few rusty-kinks in my seat and what not (like keeping my heels down. I have never ever been good at that, I am a hard-core toe pointer lol ). I was able to focus on brushing up on some my MY skills instead of spending the whole ride trying to get the horse to focus. Lmao I am excited to ride Shadow again both after the trail ride, and the advice I've received here. I really appreciate everyone's input! And please do keep it coming.
    PS I feel much better about using the riding crop now! :)
         
        10-13-2010, 05:40 AM
      #18
    Yearling
    I am a woosie, I admit.
    I do carry a crop if the trainer / instructor recommends it on a specific horse, but it hinders me so much and I have to watch my hands carefully not to swing that crop back and forth like a window cleaner.

    Even in that case, I rarely use the crop and I do all possible stuff to avoid using it. I mostly threaten with it, pretend to hit, hit my own boot. So far it worked. Especially hitting my own boot or swooshing the air.

    I know this is not correct and that at least once I should have listened to the "SMACK'IM ONCE AND GOOD" yelling but I just can't get myself to do it.
         
        10-13-2010, 07:05 AM
      #19
    Showing
    I always ride with dressage whip in arena, rarely use it though. When horse doesn't want to move using whip once is way better and effective than keep nagging horse with your legs. I also try to carry jumping crop with me on trails (when I don't forget), but that's just to chase flies away from there ears.
         
        10-13-2010, 07:40 AM
      #20
    Foal
    Glad someone else asked this, the horse I am leasing now is very bit on the lazy side. Owner mentioned to use the crop boy I don't think I've ever seen so much spunk out of him in a walk. I didn't have to use it, he just saw her hand it to me and his whole demeanor changed, lol.
         

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