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post #11 of 31 Old 10-29-2013, 12:34 AM
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How do you get confused between chores and sports? The differences are obvious!
No confusion at all. Just like having your heart beat at 88% of capacity does not make riding a horse a sport. No more so that doing a chore that increases your heart beat is a sport.
I think you are confused about what constitutes a "sport". If I go for a 30 mile ride in 5 or 6 hours I've given my horse a real good workout and if it's warm enough might even work up a sweat, but that doesn't make it a sport.
You came out saying
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We finally have proof!
... that riding is a sport.

Doug Payne has posted a helmet cam video in which he's wearing a heart monitor, and it shows his heart working at about 88% capacity throughout. I don't know a lot about sports but I bet that's more than most people would expect."

Well, I hate to say it, but the only thing you have proof of there is that Dog Payne (whoever he is) had an elevated heart rate while riding cross country. Now....tell me how much of that was from "work" and how much from adrenaline? Riding a horse is not, in and of itself, a sport.
The rate of a heart beat means absolutely nothing with regards to something be a sport.
NASCAR is a sport (whether I think so or not), but that doesn't make driving my car a sport.
Shooting can be a sport, but qualifying with the M16A1 rifle is not (even though your shooting for score in both cases)

So actually, in point of fact, I'm not sure what you have proof of beyond that the gentleman's heart was beating at a certain rate, but you've presented no proof that riding a horse is a sport. People have always said that the horse does all the work (and from a point of view it does). That doesn't preclude certain competitive horseback riding activities from being a sport. A 10 mile Competitive Trail Ride on an easy trail will likely meet the definition of a sport while going on a 25 mile trail ride with friends over a very difficult trail is not going to be a sport (regardless of how much more you exert yourself or how fast your heart is beating )

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post #12 of 31 Old 10-29-2013, 10:16 AM
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Riding your horse walk/jog on the flat is not a lot of work. Good for some general toning, but that's about it. Riding faster, especially over uneven terrain, is exhausting. I've been out for a gallop(many times) and know your heart rate and breathing go up drastically at faster speeds.
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The dictionary definition of a sport from dictionary.com:
sport[ spawrt, spohrt ]
noun


1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

So by the definition of the word, it's a sport. Physical in nature, competitive, outdoors, etc.
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Maybe it should have been said like this, "We finally have proof that horse riding is an exercise!(and good for your health providing you don't fall off).

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The dictionary definition of a sport from dictionary.com:
sport[ spawrt, spohrt ]
noun


1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

So by the definition of the word, it's a sport. Physical in nature, competitive, outdoors, etc.
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That definition won't hold up in any of the Sport Federations. At least not item 3 and item 2 won't get too far either.

Let's try something closer to what the real world sees a sport has from a internationally recognized English Dictionary.


Oxford says: (as a noun since that's how it's being used here)
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment


But I like Webster's since it gives the key requirements that most organizations will look at to accept something as a sport.

"a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other"

I doubt you'll get any sporting venue or organization to buy off on "3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime." as what's needed for something to be a sport unless that diversion; recreation or pleasant pastime is a competition with rules.. Even shooting marbles is a sport, but it meets the three primary requirements
There is a physical activity.
There are rules.
It is a competition.

Simply riding a horse around, regardless of what you might be doing or how challenging it might be, is not a competition with rules you must follow. Any more than jogging to the gym or driving a car to the store or building a fire in the fireplace. However, building a fire can, by definition be a "sport" if you set rules for how it's to be done and have two or more people compete (it's not likely to become a recognized sport, but it would still meet the basic requirements)
If someone knows of a recognized sport that does not have rules and involve some form of competition I'd love to hear about.

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Just to be clear.
Cross country jumping competition is a sport.
Dressage competition is a sport.
Barrel racing is a sport.
Endurance racing is a sport.
Competitive trail riding is a sport.
Penning is a sport.
(and the list goes on......)

Riding your horse around the pasture is NOT a sport.
Riding your horse for a camping trip is NOT a sport.
Spending the day riding a 20 mile trail (with or without friends) is NOT a sport.
(and the list goes on.....)

So the statement that riding a horse is a sport is not true. You have to be competing and there has to be rules.

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That definition won't hold up in any of the Sport Federations. At least not item 3 and item 2 won't get too far either.

Let's try something closer to what the real world sees a sport has from a internationally recognized English Dictionary.


Oxford says: (as a noun since that's how it's being used here)
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment


But I like Webster's since it gives the key requirements that most organizations will look at to accept something as a sport.

"a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other"

I doubt you'll get any sporting venue or organization to buy off on "3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime." as what's needed for something to be a sport unless that diversion; recreation or pleasant pastime is a competition with rules.. Even shooting marbles is a sport, but it meets the three primary requirements
There is a physical activity.
There are rules.
It is a competition.

Simply riding a horse around, regardless of what you might be doing or how challenging it might be, is not a competition with rules you must follow. Any more than jogging to the gym or driving a car to the store or building a fire in the fireplace. However, building a fire can, by definition be a "sport" if you set rules for how it's to be done and have two or more people compete (it's not likely to become a recognized sport, but it would still meet the basic requirements)
If someone knows of a recognized sport that does not have rules and involve some form of competition I'd love to hear about.
I compete, so it's a sport. The OP was competing. It's a sport. That was defined clearly in all examples of definitions presented. If you have issue with the definition of a word, take it up with the source of the definition. Beyond that, I was specifically referring to the original video posted.
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I compete, so it's a sport. The OP was competing. It's a sport. That was defined clearly in all examples of definitions presented. If you have issue with the definition of a word, take it up with the source of the definition. Beyond that, I was specifically referring to the original video posted.
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No the OP stated
"We finally have proof!
... that riding is a sport."
And went on to say that the proof that is was a sport is because this gentleman's heart beat was at "about 88% capacity throughout" the course of his activity.

1. Showing an elevated heart rate during any activity does not make that activity a sport.
2. Riding a horse is NOT a sport. If it is then walking my dog is a sport. Competing on in a set event that has rules is a sport. Your heart rate could be at perfectly normal rate when you're competing it would still be a sport. In fact there are a great many sports that are not physically demanding or require much physical energy. There are even what is known as "mind sports". What all sports have in common are competition and rules. Simply riding a horse doesn't have that.

As for finding something on the internet that meets a meaning you like. You can find pretty much anything to fit what you want if you look around the internet
I can find pages on the internet that will tell you all about the "Congressional Medal of Honor"....even though there is no such thing. It's the "Medal of Honor" (Congress isn't part of it.....although there is the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, which is a society created by Congress....but it's not the name of the medal.....regardless of what someone might have put out on the internet or said on the History Channel ).

As I said earlier. Show me a recognized sport that isn't a competition and doesn't have rules. By the one you gave EVERYTHING is a sport since I'm sure everything that can be done is enjoyed by someone (I had a boss that use to come in to work on his days off, because it was a pleasant diversion for him.....so office work is a sport? )
Giving definitions is meaningless if there's nothing to back it up.
Sports are competitions with rules. Just riding your horse doesn't meet that.

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I do not care one way or the other.
I like riding..and watching riding. : )
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I didn't say the OP said anything in particular. I don't care what the OP said, to be honest. I was specifically referring to the video posted. It's competitive. It's a sport.

Sure, I could've gone to a random website and picked some random opinion of what constitutes a sport, but I didn't. It's a reliable dictionary source. It holds up and ages with other definitions presented.

Good grief, move on. We're agreeing on the same thing for crying out loud, but for some reason some people are getting way too hung up on semantics. It's like arguing about whether it's a shopping cart or a buggy when you're grocery shopping or whether something is fantastic or terrific.
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