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        10-29-2013, 02:37 PM
      #21
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    I didn't say the OP said anything in particular. I don't care what the OP said, to be honest. I was specifically referring to the video posted. It's competitive. It's a sport. I never agreed that all riding is a sport. Never said that. Not once. I posted a definition. I wasn't looking for a definition that suited my needs - at any point. I could've just as easily gone to a different dictionary. It happened to be the one I picked.

    Next time I know I should ask permission first before going on my own and paying information from a reliable source that may note match the ideals of all members. *Rolls eyes*

    Sure, I could've gone to a random website and picked some random opinion of what constitutes a sport, but I didn't. It's a reliable dictionary source. It holds up and ages with other definitions presented.

    Good grief, move on. We're agreeing on the same thing for crying out loud, but for some reason some people are getting way too hung up on semantics. It's like arguing about whether it's a shopping cart or a buggy when you're grocery shopping or whether something is fantastic or terrific.
         
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        10-29-2013, 03:20 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    Riding gets a lot of flack for not being a sport. Competitive or otherwise. People think that it is easy, non-competitive, etcetera.

    I compete. I work hard and train. It is a sport. End of story.
         
        10-29-2013, 03:21 PM
      #23
    Yearling
    You might be thinking the same thing, but it's not what you were saying . In this case it's actually not semantics. You may have been looking at the video and thinking that was what the OP was calling a sport (and I already listed Cross country competition is one of many equestrian sports), but the OP's comment was that riding a horse was a sport (whether that's what she meant to say I have no idea).

    This thread was not about whether there are equine sports. It was about horseback riding being a sport (and the heart rate or a person who was participating in an actual equine sport being proof of that riding a horse is a sport).
    Since you didn't state otherwise, when you gave your definition and said "So by the definition of the word, it's a sport. Physical in nature, competitive, outdoors, etc"
    It was logical to take that to mean you were agreeing with the OP's statement that riding a horse is a sport. You gave no indication otherwise.
    However , I am glad that you do know the difference between horseback riding as oppose to an equine sport. Now I can drive to the store and not think I'm a NASCAR driver (I'll never understand how anyone can watch that....sorry about that to all you NASCAR fans )
         
        10-29-2013, 03:31 PM
      #24
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    Yep, I'm one of those unique people with the gift of logic and reasoning. I use it as often as possible.
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        10-29-2013, 03:58 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    Riding gets a lot of flack for not being a sport. Competitive or otherwise. People think that it is easy, non-competitive, etcetera.

    I compete. I work hard and train. It is a sport. End of story.
    It's only the equine competition that's a sport .

    Non-competitive riding is not a sport. That was the point of this thread. It wasn't about what equine sports there are, or if equine sport were in fact sports (I've never known anyone who said they aren't. The Olympics says they are). It stated simply that riding a horse is a sport (using a man who was doing an equine sport had an elevated heart rate as evidence.... what he was participating in would still have been a sport if his heart rate had been at it's rest). The act of riding a horse is exercise, (to some lesser or greater degree depending on the activity), but not an equine sport. Competing with your horse in an equine sport is.

    End of story.
         
        10-29-2013, 04:07 PM
      #26
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
    As I said earlier. Show me a recognized sport that isn't a competition and doesn't have rules.
    Fishing, hunting, skiing, mountain bike riding, rock climbing... These are all mostly non-competitive (though of course they can be), don't have rules beyond e.g. Fish & game laws, but would all be considered sports by any reasonable definition, and are referred to as sports in everyday use.
         
        10-29-2013, 07:14 PM
      #27
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
    That definition won't hold up in any of the Sport Federations. At least not item 3 and item 2 won't get too far either.

    Let's try something closer to what the real world sees a sport has from a internationally recognized English Dictionary.


    Oxford says: (as a noun since that's how it's being used here)
    An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment


    But I like Webster's since it gives the key requirements that most organizations will look at to accept something as a sport.

    "a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other"

    I doubt you'll get any sporting venue or organization to buy off on "3. Diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime." as what's needed for something to be a sport unless that diversion; recreation or pleasant pastime is a competition with rules.. Even shooting marbles is a sport, but it meets the three primary requirements
    There is a physical activity.
    There are rules.
    It is a competition.

    Simply riding a horse around, regardless of what you might be doing or how challenging it might be, is not a competition with rules you must follow. Any more than jogging to the gym or driving a car to the store or building a fire in the fireplace. However, building a fire can, by definition be a "sport" if you set rules for how it's to be done and have two or more people compete (it's not likely to become a recognized sport, but it would still meet the basic requirements)
    If someone knows of a recognized sport that does not have rules and involve some form of competition I'd love to hear about.
    Holy Hannah, you're taking this way too seriously. We really don't need a technical discussion of the definition of the word "sport."

    I started this thread because I hear all the time that horseback riding is not a sport because "the horse does all the work." The implication of that statement is that horseback riding doesn't qualify as a sport because there is no exercise involved. The elevated heart rate proves that there is exercise involved. Clear enough?
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        10-29-2013, 09:01 PM
      #28
    Yearling
    If you are riding your horse in PRACTICE to become better at the competitions you attend, you are still performing a sport, even if you are just riding at home. It's the same thing as Basketball practice or Soccer practice for the major leagues. Those people are still playing their sport in practice, just as we are when we go to lessons or ride around in the field to improve our skills for our next show.

    Horseback riding is an internationally recognized sport no matter how you look at it. I don't know why there's debate, to be honest. People that SAY it isn't a sport are just ignorant and not worth your time.
         
        10-29-2013, 09:20 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jamesqf    
    Fishing, hunting, skiing, mountain bike riding, rock climbing... These are all mostly non-competitive (though of course they can be), don't have rules beyond e.g. Fish & game laws, but would all be considered sports by any reasonable definition, and are referred to as sports in everyday use.
    Well, it's getting off topic, but:
    Actually those are competitive sports and meet the definition of a sport.

    Fishing for sport has been around for centuries and there are different rules for different fish and style of fishing. Even down to what's acceptable as a lure or bait. As a sport it's clearly defined as being different than subsistence fishing which has no rules beyond obeying the fishing laws of the where you are or commercial fishing and the laws governing it (subsistence and commercial fishing are not considered a sport).

    Hunting is much the same (type of game, weapon, etc....). In some cases even more "nit picky" than the fishing. Like fishing, it's often based on the overall outcome of the season, although it can also be based on the results of a day, week or whatever time period the competition calls for. And like fishing it's differentiated from subsistence hunting, etc.....

    Bike riding is much like horseback riding. There are certainly cycling sports, but simply riding a bicycle is not a sport.

    Rock climbing as a sport does have rules (even judges), but there are also people who just do it for fun and don't have to worry about all that. And there is also the competition based on climbing the highest or toughest (not as many rules).

    Point being that when done as a sport they do have rules and the people do compete. E.g. Getting the largest deer or the one with the most points that year.....catching the largest Bass (providing you don't violate certain requirements....you should see what they go through to be able to qualify for catching a world record bass....it's not just catching the biggest fish, but also not violating any of the rules).

    Of course you can also list mind sports such as chess, scrabble and other games. Not very physically demanding, but still a competition with rules.

    I'll go back to an earlier statement. If riding a bike, riding horse, etc.... is a sport than the vast majority of what people do is a sport. E.g. There are walking sports, but that doesn't make taking a walk a sport. There are probably more sports using an automobile than there are using a horse, but that doesn't make driving to the store (or on vacation) a sport.

    There are requirements for something to be a sport. If there wasn't then everything anyone ever does is a sport. My ex was a world champion at the sport of sleeping
         
        10-29-2013, 09:42 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xJumperx    
    If you are riding your horse in PRACTICE to become better at the competitions you attend, you are still performing a sport, even if you are just riding at home. It's the same thing as Basketball practice or Soccer practice for the major leagues. Those people are still playing their sport in practice, just as we are when we go to lessons or ride around in the field to improve our skills for our next show.

    Horseback riding is an internationally recognized sport no matter how you look at it. I don't know why there's debate, to be honest. People that SAY it isn't a sport are just ignorant and not worth your time.
    So if a race car driver drives to the store he's participating in a sport? I don't think so. You'll be hard pressed to make that argument.

    When you train for a sport you (hopefully) are practicing everything in compliance with the rules for what you are going to be "competing" in. Football players don't go out and practice clipping. Pitchers don't practice throwing spitballs. When they practice they follow the rules they'll have to use when competing. So all the rules and activities still apply.
    Now you might be a person who ONLY rides to practice for your next competition. There are people who do that, but the majority don't. The majority of people who ride probably don't compete (at least the majority of the riders I know don't). Therefore people like me, who just enjoy riding long distances and camping are not competing and I can assure you that it's NOT a sport (no matter who is doing it). Demanding, yes. Requires a training and conditioning, yes. But not a sport. Therefore, since people (like me) do ride horses without being involved with any form of equine sport, then you can't say that horseback riding is a sport (since that would make what I do a sport which it's clearly not.....no rules, no competition and not preparing to compete)
    Internationally what I do is not considered a sport (and yet I'm still riding a horse to do it )

    Anyone who thinks that just riding around for pleasure (or just using your horse vs a automobile or walking as transportation for camping, etc...) without any competition or following any event rules is a sport is just ignorant
         

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