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post #21 of 62 Old 08-19-2012, 01:17 PM
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As for the OP, I'd be more willing to give an opinion if I saw a picture of you and the horse. There are a lot of factors, like bone structure and muscle and overall body type. More than likely I'd be inclined to say you'd be a bit bigger than I personally would be comfortable with. Like another poster suggested, driving might make a nice recreational hobby with this horse though if you still want something to do with it :)
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post #22 of 62 Old 08-19-2012, 01:17 PM
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It's good to know you judge people not by how they ride or care for their horses, but how many lessons they took. Very shallow, wish I had the kind of money to judge people like you do. I ride barefoot with no helmet, and usually no saddle, I must be a horrible "backwoods" rider.
I judge people on the questions they ask.

While I ride at a top barn, I don't have a lot of money... but what I do have is a lot of common sense. It doesn't take a genius to know that the OP is too big for that horse, never mind that the previous owner was apparently 300 lbs not including saddle weight. That is cruelty anyway you look at it and should not be encouraged.
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Here's an excellent article:

http://www.horsechannel.com/horse-ex...rse-carry.aspx

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This study, done at The Ohio State University Agricultural Technical Institute took eight riding horses, loaded them with certain percentages of their overall body weights, ranging from 15 to 30%, then worked the horses and recorded their vital signs. The results from this study showed that all the horses in the study had no problem carrying up to 20% of their body weight (which translates into an average 1,200 pound horse being able to carry a total of 240 pounds). Horses carrying 25% and 30% of their body weight had higher heart and respiratory rates during exercise, and muscles that were more sore a day after exercise. So, in short, a good rule of thumb is that an average horse can carry 20% of his bodyweight (keeping in mind this is tack combined with the weight of the rider).
Unbiased reputable source. That 300lb man the OP referenced was over 30%...
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post #24 of 62 Old 08-19-2012, 01:32 PM
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Hello everyone I weigh 250lbs and my horse Honey is 14.2 HH and wieghs 980lbs. I have not yet rode her because im afraid that I will hurt her. She is a stocky and sturdy horse. My nieghbor told me she would be fine with 20 minute incriments. I have about 15 acres of beautifull land and want to ride her. Im so confused. Please help me
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What kind of person buys a horse without riding it because they aren't sure they would be a good fit physically? This is pure madness and the fact that you have a problem with me and not the OP who made such a foolish decision, is a perfect example of what's wrong with the horse world.

I know where I ride, horses come first and a 250 lb rider would NEVER be allowed on a horse that size. Then again, we're not backwoods trained riders... no offence.
So read the OP again, where did she say she went out and bought the horse? I have a problem with your assumption of the sequence of events.

No offence?? HUGE OFFENCE taken here, I don't even have a wood, let alone a back wood. I cannot in all good faith here on a Sunday morning find enough words that would not offend a lot of people, I am so angry. Now that may make me some sort of redneck, but not a backwoods trained rider, my trainer happens to be a Grand Prix dressage rider, so yeah, not exactly a hick.

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250 pound rider sat on 14.2hh pony, this redneck would have no trouble letting him ride her, yes he looks awkward, but this was his first time on any sort of horse for 4 years or so, since an 18 hh dressage 'prospect' drilled him into the ground and broke his ribs.
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post #25 of 62 Old 08-19-2012, 01:34 PM
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Unfortunately, you are too heavy for that horse. If you follow the common 20% rule as in you should be no more than 20% of the horses weight, then you are definitely over the limit when you add in a saddle. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise, some riders on this forum put their enjoyment over the health of the horse...My advise would be to sell the horse and get a larger one.
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...I know where I ride, horses come first and a 250 lb rider would NEVER be allowed on a horse that size. Then again, we're not backwoods trained riders... no offence.
The 20% rule is a guideline developed for cavalry mounts being used all day, every day. Studies indicate it is a level of effort that has no discernible impact on the horse.

As you go from 20 up to 30%, the horse has to adjust its stride and will tire more. That doesn't make it unrideable. It just means you can't ride the horse all day every day.

Here is a link to some scientific studies:

Articles on riders weight effecting a horses soundness?

This "backwoods trained rider" has actually read the studies done, instead of mindlessly repeating a rule of thumb out of context. A western saddle will distribute the weight over a greater area, which can help. How well you ride will affect things a lot. Also, what kind of riding...walking is obviously easier on the horse than barrel racing, jumping and polo.
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Unfortunately, you are too heavy for that horse. If you follow the common 20% rule as in you should be no more than 20% of the horses weight, then you are definitely over the limit when you add in a saddle. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise, some riders on this forum put their enjoyment over the health of the horse. We see it all the time, whether it's someone jumping a 2 year old horse or a 300 lb man riding a 900lb horse, it's cruelty anyway you look at it.

Google: "horse 20% weight"

You'll find a lot of discussion about the subject on various forums and websites. My advise would be to sell the horse and get a larger one.

Lots of discussion, ongoing, but as reliable as the drink 8 glasses of water a day, it's an arbitary number plucked out of the air by someone trying to set a number.

The hard truth is, you cannot put a set limit, because it does all depend, depends on the riders ability, weight distribution, balance, etc etc.

Depends on the horses build, bone density, and more than anything his heart and will.

Depends on correctly fitting tack

Depends HUGELY on what sort of riding you are going to do. A 20 minute walk around a paddock is a world away from a days hunting across country at full gallop and over fences.
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BTW - my back gets sore every time I plant a tree with my friends Mr Pick & Mr Shovel, or when I haul around railroad ties. Doesn't mean I don't or won't do it, just that I may take the next day off.

BTW - my 650ish mustang pony has carried my 175 lbs plus saddle a number of times. He does adjust his stride to do it, but he has also galloped with me and not even breathed hard afterward. A thinking adult can see if the horse is acting sore or tired after a ride, and adjust as needed. With little Cowboy, I've never seen him act tired or reluctant at the end of a ride with me. But of course, I don't ride him for 10 hours straight or 6 days in a row...

... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)
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What kind of person buys a horse without riding it because they aren't sure they would be a good fit physically? This is pure madness and the fact that you have a problem with me and not the OP who made such a foolish decision, is a perfect example of what's wrong with the horse world.

I know where I ride, horses come first and a 250 lb rider would NEVER be allowed on a horse that size. Then again, we're not backwoods trained riders... no offence.
I take it in your rush to judgement you breezed right past the post where the OP states she didn't buy the horse, it was given to her rather than suffer an uncertain fate Good for her for stepping up to the plate.

The fact a horse is 15.2 doesn't mean they can't carry a heaver rider. How the horse is built makes a huge difference. A 15.2 lithe and lite arab for instance vs. my heavy duty 15.2 draft cross. Both are short coupled and short backed but my draft cross has tons of supporting bone and meat covering them . Also, it really depends on what type of riding the OP wants to do. Just hacking around a field is not the same as jumping ya know. Conditioning is another factor, any horse that hasn't been in work will benefit from conditioning eercises to help build up those back muscles.

Now all that having been said, how about we wait for the OP to post her pictures as promised so we can look at what type of horse this is and help her to get the best result possible.
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You know I decided to come on here for friendly advise NOT TO BE JUDGED!!particularly JINXERMOVING . I have the horses best interest in mind which is why I rescued her from being turned over to a horse rescue AND why im seeking advice THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!I thank you for all the good advise(goldenhorse and bsms and a FEW others)and by the way goldenhorse I love your picture :) I have only had honey for one month I am new at this but loving every minute with her. Im going to go take some pics for observation :) I hope to hear back from MOST OF YOU!! Thanks. ;)
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Thank you dimsum:d
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