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    11-25-2012, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
This thread is like arguing with a stump.
BAHAHAHAHA! And this is the Texas Chainsaw massacre! Bring on those stumps!
     
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    11-25-2012, 09:52 PM
  #162
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Has anyone else actually ridden a western dressage test in front of a judge or am I the only one ?

Western dressage is for people who ride western and want to improve the way their horse goes. Its more for people who pleasure ride, not those who are already competitive in another sport. They only have WD test at low levels, w/g and w/g/l.

Once again the judges are all dressage judges, not western pleasure/reining/etc judges.

This thread just seems out of control and ridiculous to me !! Especially because WD is supposed to be fun !

I have also done dressage trail which is fun too
     
    11-25-2012, 10:09 PM
  #163
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Oops meant j of JOG not g lol I must be really tired !!
     
    11-25-2012, 10:16 PM
  #164
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Point of history. The US Army, in order to improve the instruction given troops sent a commission to Europe in the 30s to study European methods. They came back with dressage as taught in the military schools of France and Russia and the forward seat as taught in Italy. They actually made them work together. Yes, the training films from the 40s show forwThe first dressage teams in the Olympics were ALL military - there were no civilian teams, and the US was represented. In the 30s, the military schools WERE the dressage schools. The modern FEI directives are taken directly from the Cavalry manual of German Cavalry manuals as are most of the German manuals used by the German Federation. The old manual from the 1930s is still being quoted as the best progressive training for a riding horse by vets worldwide when looking for training systems that a best for the welfare of the horse.
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    11-25-2012, 10:16 PM
  #165
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
has anyone else actually ridden a western dressage test in front of a judge or am I the only one ?

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This thread just seems out of control and ridiculous to me !! Especially because WD is supposed to be fun !

I have also done dressage trail which is fun too
Gypsy, I have not but I want to someday. As I said, my QH is not high level material and I'm interested in improving his gaits and my abilities but I want to ride my comfy WP saddle to do so. So I think WD sounds like a great thing. What is Dressage Trail? I have not heard of that, but it sounds a bit intriguing.
     
    11-25-2012, 10:42 PM
  #166
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My post got posted before I finished editing it. Oh well.
     
    11-25-2012, 10:47 PM
  #167
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Point of history: The US Cavalry manual written in the 40s was very much a manual on jumping and the forward seat. It was not, by any measure, a manual on dressage. Nor were any of the previous manuals, because dressage is ill suited to the functioning of a military. A military needs to train large numbers in short times.

Yes, the US Army had folks who rode dressage. It also sponsored a polo team. But the style it taught is pretty obvious in the pictures of the military:

WW1, with dual gas masks:



Not sure of the age of this one:



I believe this is Canadian from around WW1:



The Italians, of course were nuts:



Believe this guy was British:



OK, end of history lesson. But there isn't much evidence that the military was teaching folks a dressage position...
     
    11-25-2012, 11:06 PM
  #168
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Off topic, but I came across this tonight and thought it was pretty interesting. They bought 140,000 horses in Britain in just 2 weeks...:

     
    11-26-2012, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by longride    
Point of history. The US Army, in order to improve the instruction given troops sent a commission to Europe in the 30s to study European methods. They came back with dressage as taught in the military schools of France and Russia and the forward seat as taught in Italy. They actually made them work together. Yes, the training films from the 40s show forwThe first dressage teams in the Olympics were ALL military - there were no civilian teams, and the US was represented. In the 30s, the military schools WERE the dressage schools. The modern FEI directives are taken directly from the Cavalry manual of German Cavalry manuals as are most of the German manuals used by the German Federation. The old manual from the 1930s is still being quoted as the best progressive training for a riding horse by vets worldwide when looking for training systems that a best for the welfare of the horse.
thanks so much for finding it, I knew it existed but couldn't quote it....thanks
In fact, my first instructor, 44 years ago, was an ex cavalry officer who taught dressage only
     
    11-26-2012, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
That would be assuming the QH has the choppy movement......automatically.......or are you referring to movement as in big trot......which, IMO, shouldn't be a deciding factor in Western Dressage. Haven't read the WD rules, but sure hope this was taken into consideration. If not, WD doesn't make any sense at all. _
WD rewards good gaits for dressage, just as normal dressage does. A warmblood has better gaits for dressage than a quarterhorse on average. I have ridden quite a few QHs in dressage and compared to any WB I've ever ridden, yes their gaits are choppy. That is why they don't do well in dressage, becacuse they are not bred to move around looking pretty, they are bred to be useful. I'd hate to be stuck on a WB trying to move cattle.

The rules and objectives of WD are much the same as regular dressage and in speaking to the people who judge it, the placings and scores should be the same as in regular dressage because of it. Put a western saddle on a WB and it will do just as well in WD as in normal dressage. If it's getting 70% at training level it will do the same in WD. Same with a QH, if it's getting a 58% then it will keep getting 58% in WD, and keep placing behind the WB.

Also, WD aspires to be much more than something "fun" and "non-competetive". They just have not developed mid-high level tests, yet.
     

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