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        11-26-2012, 09:17 PM
      #211
    Trained
    Am I glad in my language we have our own word for the French word dressage: Dressur. So no arguing here
         
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        11-26-2012, 09:43 PM
      #212
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Kayty    
    Jaydee, I've done my fair share of competing, and yes of course there are the minority who are like that.
    But they're in all English discplines, and I am to assume that they also exist in Western competition too.
    So again, you cannot tarnish Dressage riders with that brush, because it's actually the minority who fit your description.
    As I've said many, MANY times on this forum - very few of us actually have a 'ready made' horse. My current horse is a well bred warmblood, but I certainly didn't pay huge figures for him - why? Because the previous owner was scared of him - he spooks, bolts and gets shocking seperation anxiety.
    The people who I compete with an against are 99% in the same boat. I ride with school teachers, receptionists, payroll staff, retail staff, and most of them have worked extremely hard to afford what they have.
    And VERY few of us look 'perfect' day in day out. This is a load of rubbish - maybe US Dressage riders are far more 'snobby' than Australian Dressage riders?


    Ok and colour me confused. FIRST we are chastised for those Dressage riders on the board who claim that Dressage is the basis for ALL riding, all of the basic work that we do in whatever discipline you ride is Dressage.
    NOW, when it suits you - those of us who say no, Dressage is NOT the basis of all riding, you don't have to ride Dressage to be successful in other discplines - particularly the Western discplines - are deemed snobby because we don't want to 'share'??
    Juice box, anyone?

    Completely agree! Very well said.
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        11-26-2012, 11:38 PM
      #213
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    Dressage means training IN FRENCH. In English, it does not. We beat THAT horse to death about 100 posts back, I think...
    LOL, Oh Hell, I checked out over 20 pages ago, now I'm down to skipping around and looking at various posts. Guess I'll just unsubscribe to this one and bury it.
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        11-27-2012, 02:54 AM
      #214
    Weanling
    Definition of dressage:
    The guiding of a horse through a series of complex manoeuvers by slight movements of the rider's hands, legs, and weight.

    So why is everyone arguing? LOL. Its what we all do every time we get on a horse.
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        11-27-2012, 07:57 AM
      #215
    Trained
    ^^ Because that is not the definition of dressage. And if it were, then the WD folks wouldn't be claiming to use "dressage" to make western riders and horses better.
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        11-27-2012, 08:21 AM
      #216
    Foal
    Well, heck then, no one ever needs to take a lesson with a qualified dressage instructor. Every single person in the entire world knows dressage.. You never, ever, need to ride a well trained dressage horse to develop the feel of what a truly straight, engaged, and connected horse feels like. You're all Grand Prix level riders. You never need to open a book, watch a clinic, or spend hundreds on lessons from a real dressage trainer, because gosh darn it all... Everyone already trains their horse, and training means dressage, so everyone knows Everything about dressage.

    Just because you do a little tiny piece of something, and don't bother to learn anymore than just those few small pieces, doesn't mean you're doing dressage. You're still not a geologist even if you like to look at shiny rocks on the beach.
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        11-27-2012, 08:30 AM
      #217
    Weanling
    Come on guys. This is supposed to be enjoyable not have everyone freaking out about what constitutes dressage and who does what and how and with whom and who is at grand prix level and novice level and who is better. If that is what you are saying dressage is, then I don't ever do dressage on my abomination of a horse (my Clydesdale) despite the fact that he has won several events loosely termed 'dressage' and I have achieved this by subtle leg aids, weight shifting, hands, moving backwards, forwards, side stepping, collection and sometimes even to music. Ah well, must contact relevant societies to get them to stop using the term 'Dressage'. Good luck LOL
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        11-27-2012, 08:44 AM
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        11-27-2012, 08:53 AM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by core    
    Well, heck then, no one ever needs to take a lesson with a qualified dressage instructor. Every single person in the entire world knows dressage.. You never, ever, need to ride a well trained dressage horse to develop the feel of what a truly straight, engaged, and connected horse feels like. You're all Grand Prix level riders. You never need to open a book, watch a clinic, or spend hundreds on lessons from a real dressage trainer, because gosh darn it all... Everyone already trains their horse, and training means dressage, so everyone knows Everything about dressage.

    Just because you do a little tiny piece of something, and don't bother to learn anymore than just those few small pieces, doesn't mean you're doing dressage. You're still not a geologist even if you like to look at shiny rocks on the beach.
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    The bold part signifies arrogance.....truly straight, engaged and connected does not only belong to the 'dressage horse' nor does it belong solely to 'dressage training'......that's an insult to all of us who work very hard with our horses to develop these things with our horses.....what makes you think it's exclusive to the dressage world???
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        11-27-2012, 09:25 AM
      #220
    Foal
    MG - Explain to me what straight, engaged, connected means in dressage. If you knew, then you'd realize how different it is from what you do.
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