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        11-27-2012, 09:38 AM
      #221
    Trained
    I am seriously wondering who implants this elite feeling in some people who happen to train for upper level dressage. Is it a money thing? However, I was taught to respect all riding styles, all require training, hard work, time, sweat and sometimes tears. And I also learned not to judge something without knowing what to look for and how to do it.
    I can assure you, core, straight, engaged and connected is not sole property of dressage(as you all define dressage)
    By claiming it is you come across as know it all and snobbish.
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        11-27-2012, 09:43 AM
      #222
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Here's my confusion. I've always been taught that Dressage (the word itself) means Training. So, using that definition, why would anyone object to Western Dressage? Western Training? I tend to be pretty literal minded, so I'm truly not getting the objection?
    Now this is really going to upset everyone who can't get their head around the fact that dressage (word) means training - in the UK we also have Dressage Tests for the British Horse Driving Trials

    bsms No dressage is not an english word, its a french word that we also use (not unlike the french have borrowed 'le weekend'. Not sure why it was adopted as a name for the competition but it might be because they were first seen as 'Training tests' - which in fact they are - tests of the horses training'.
    Britain & Ireland were well behind in adopting the dressage seat as we see it now because our focus 'back in the day' was on hunting and racing over fences where you will still see that 'leaned back/forward leg style' very much in evidence
    History of Dressage
    Something else for you to argue about.
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        11-27-2012, 09:48 AM
      #223
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    Originally Posted by core    
    Well, heck then, no one ever needs to take a lesson with a qualified dressage instructor. Every single person in the entire world knows dressage.. You never, ever, need to ride a well trained dressage horse to develop the feel of what a truly straight, engaged, and connected horse feels like. You're all Grand Prix level riders. You never need to open a book, watch a clinic, or spend hundreds on lessons from a real dressage trainer, because gosh darn it all... Everyone already trains their horse, and training means dressage, so everyone knows Everything about dressage.

    Just because you do a little tiny piece of something, and don't bother to learn anymore than just those few small pieces, doesn't mean you're doing dressage. You're still not a geologist even if you like to look at shiny rocks on the beach.
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    I think this makes the least sense of any other post on this thread. Maybe you should try reading & researching more or take up arguing with fence posts.
    You don't like being offended but seem to be making an art form out of offending other people
         
        11-27-2012, 10:09 AM
      #224
    Trained
    Oh, jaydee, let's see what we've learned so far
    Dressage is an English word
    A young horse in training at lower level doesn't do dressage
    Only a grand prix horse can go straight, engaged and connected
    No horse other than a grand prix horse is worth anything
    No rider other than a grand prix rider is a good rider

    Klimke, Neckermann, Linsenhoff, de la Gueriniere, the Dorrance brothers, just to name a few, would turn around in their grave if they could hear that.........
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        11-27-2012, 10:45 AM
      #225
    Weanling
    Special Announcement:
    And a Merry Christmas and goodwill to all men (and horses)...
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        11-27-2012, 10:49 AM
      #226
    Trained
    Now you would have to define "goodwill".....
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        11-27-2012, 10:49 AM
      #227
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Oh, jaydee, let's see what we've learned so far
    Dressage is an English word
    A young horse in training at lower level doesn't do dressage
    Only a grand prix horse can go straight, engaged and connected
    No horse other than a grand prix horse is worth anything
    No rider other than a grand prix rider is a good rider

    Klimke, Neckermann, Linsenhoff, de la Gueriniere, the Dorrance brothers, just to name a few, would turn around in their grave if they could hear that.........
    Does make me wonder what it is my old mate Karl Hester does and a good friend I have who is one of the 'High School' riders at the Spanish Riding School. He once told me that dressage is all the elements of good riding using your hands, legs aids and whatever else to make you and your horse look like poetry in motion. Obviously they all got it wrong too...ROFL
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        11-27-2012, 10:52 AM
      #228
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Now you would have to define "goodwill".....
    Goodwill is the act of punching anyone who disagrees with you in the face!
    That just has to be The Oxford English Dictionary definition LOL, LOL
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        11-27-2012, 10:57 AM
      #229
    Weanling
    Ok. I am going to settle this argument once and for all. This is what dressage is. Watch this video and learn! The Brits get it right 100% of the time. No contest.
         
        11-27-2012, 11:04 AM
      #230
    Trained
    Dressage is a word borrowed from French, but it has a meaning in English. That meaning, in English, is NOT "training". It is quite common for words borrowed from another language to change meaning in the new language. In English, dressage does not mean "training". You see, we already have a word that means "training": training.

    Years ago, I was a squadron's "Training Officer", not its "Dressage Officer".

    And for the purposes of this thread, when western dressage says they are going to use the principles of dressage to improve western riders and horses, they are NOT referring to generic horse training - and everyone here knows that. They are using the prestige acquired by the SPORT of dressage - as well as the myths that surround it - to convince people that they have a better way of training horses and riders, and that better way is adapted from...European Dressage, or the sport of dressage, whatever. But they are NOT claiming they are going to use generic training to improve the way western horses perform and western riders ride. And it is the assumption that western horses and riders need outside help, combined with what I see as an illegitimate borrowing (theft?) of the reputation the sport of dressage has built up, as being wrong with WD. It strikes me as using "lazy man's dressage" to fix a problem that western riders and horses don't have.
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