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    11-27-2012, 12:08 PM
  #231
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Goodwill is the act of punching anyone who disagrees with you in the face!
That just has to be The Oxford English Dictionary definition LOL, LOL
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    11-27-2012, 12:10 PM
  #232
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...He once told me that dressage is all the elements of good riding using your hands, legs aids and whatever else to make you and your horse look like poetry in motion. Obviously they all got it wrong too...ROFL
I would call a cutter "poetry in motion", so does your "old mate" believe cutting horses and riders perform dressage? Because if he does, he is once again using a different definition of "dressage" than the WD people are using. They are NOT claiming they are going to use the principles of riding and training found in cutting horse...

Do you REALLY believe the WD folks are promising to teach this:



That is beautiful, but I don't think that is what the WD people meant when they stuck "dressage" into their name and into their advertisements!
     
    11-27-2012, 12:28 PM
  #233
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It is beautiful and poetry in motion. But the horse has to have a certain handle before it can be asked to do that. So basic training is key. Getting him to be light enough in the front and strong behind to effortlessly follow that cow. One of these elements, engaging the hind to come off the front is taught in dressage. How a cutter achieves it is not the question, but it is done in dressage training. So, as you stated before, all riding is dressage, and I have to add,IF DONE RIGHT.
Still waiting for the definition of dressage......
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    11-27-2012, 12:28 PM
  #234
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Odd. One of the great producers of cutting horses once said that a top cutting horse should be able to do 3rd level dressage.
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    11-27-2012, 12:32 PM
  #235
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Its what the video demonstrates. That is what dressage is!
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    11-27-2012, 12:37 PM
  #236
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Originally Posted by longride    
Odd. One of the great producers of cutting horses once said that a top cutting horse should be able to do 3rd level dressage.
And equally odd, in THE dressage country, Germany, Reining is considered Western Dressage
     
    11-27-2012, 12:56 PM
  #237
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
...So, as you stated before, all riding is dressage, and I have to add,IF DONE RIGHT.
Still waiting for the definition of dressage......
First, I have NEVER said all riding is dressage. On the contrary, I have argued against it.

Second, you might want to look at the list of forums in HF. There is a dressage sub-forum, but if you ask how to get your horse to follow the cows on that sub-forum, your post will be moved. Why? Because on HF, the dressage sub-forum doesn't exist to discuss cutting horse training.

And there is a forum on riding, and that forum is also not the dressage sub-forum. Why? Because on HF, the dressage forum covers the SPORT of dressage - which is how the word is normally used in English.

Third, the Western Dressage people are NOT using dressage to mean "any training". They use it to mean the SPORT of dressage, and they prove it by trying to imitate in test and judges the SPORT of dressage. So when they say they are going to use the principles of dressage to make western riders better riders, they are saying they are going to use the principles taught in the SPORT of dressage to improve western riders - although I would argue western riders already do fine at western riding.

So no, you have no business trying to change the subject and pretending that the WD people are using dressage by its French definition. They obviously are not, and the word obviously has a different meaning in English than in French. This thread does not ask if "training" will improve a western rider or horse, because it is obvious that western training will do so. It is asking if the WD people are right, and if the principles of the SPORT of dressage are needed to make western riders better riders, and western horses better horses.
     
    11-27-2012, 01:01 PM
  #238
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"One of these elements, engaging the hind to come off the front is taught in dressage."

Using a stirrup is also taught in dressage, but dressage is not all riding that uses a stirrup. Indeed, in dressage, riders ride HORSES, but that doesn't mean anyone on a horse is performing dressage.

However, feel free to tell the moderators to change the forum so that all riding and training are covered in the dressage forum. But tell me - can we discuss health issues on another forum, or does your definition of dressage encompass horse health and rider health as well?
     
    11-27-2012, 01:14 PM
  #239
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How many USA western riders grew up in Germany. Probably not a lot.
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    11-27-2012, 01:17 PM
  #240
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Originally Posted by longride    
Odd. One of the great producers of cutting horses once said that a top cutting horse should be able to do 3rd level dressage.
Of course the guy that trained for cutting would say that. Now find a dressage trainer who agree's. Or better yet, put the cutting horse in a third level test and show us the score sheet. It wouldn't be pretty.
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