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post #281 of 502 Old 11-27-2012, 05:28 PM
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Did you miss the Olympic Cutting Horse classes too?????
Shhhhhh....don't bust bubbles...
Or was it just another thing taken completely out of context............
I mean the original post about cutting and Olympics, just to clarify that!!!

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Did you miss the Olympic Cutting Horse classes too?????
Apparently so......
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Apparently so......
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Core, have you ever ridden a cutting horse??? Or is that beneath you? Because I can tell you is that a good cutting horse wouldn't be beneath your butt for very long.....

Your a purist and you've as much as admitted it.......go ride your horse.
I've ridden everything but a cutting horse. Unfortunately, there aren't any near where I live, and I haven't met anyone who does cutting. I'd love to try it, but haven't a clue how to get a foot in that door.

I have ridden a couple of very well-trained barrel horses in competition when I was younger. I know it's not the same, but still a helleva lot of fun. They were very well trained, very responsive, able to turn on a dime, and go from 0 to 100 in half a second. They weren't dressage trained... they were well trained horses, not well trained in dressage.

I grew up riding western. Learned how to ride from my cousin who does barrel racers. I board at a western pleasure barn. I've ridden saddle seat, side saddle, hunt seat pleasure, hunter/jumper, and tried my hand at fox hunting on an OTTB I couldn't handle. I've done showmanship, western pleasure, western trail classes, etc, etc. I chose dressage after having tried everything I could get my hands on. And I stuck with dressage because it has an unlimited learning potential. The more I know, the more I realize how much I don't know about dressage.

MG - you said you don't ride dressage, and you admit you don't know much about it. Your welcome to come take a lessons from my trainer to learn more about dressage. You can even use my horse. Or, I can try to find qualified dressage trainers in your area who have lesson horses you could use. And I'd be happy to talk about dressage with you at any time (if you'll lay off the insults). Maybe you'd be willing to help me find a barn that does cutters, or reiners, in my area that has lesson horses I could use for the first few times? Maybe we could meet in the middle of this divide instead of sitting on our respective fences hurling snide remarks? You seem like a person I could enjoy talking to if it weren't for this thread. Can we lay down the swords?
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I've ridden everything but a cutting horse. Unfortunately, there aren't any near where I live, and I haven't met anyone who does cutting. I'd love to try it, but haven't a clue how to get a foot in that door.

I have ridden a couple of very well-trained barrel horses in competition when I was younger. I know it's not the same, but still a helleva lot of fun. They were very well trained, very responsive, able to turn on a dime, and go from 0 to 100 in half a second. They weren't dressage trained... they were well trained horses, not well trained in dressage.

I grew up riding western. Learned how to ride from my cousin who does barrel racers. I board at a western pleasure barn. I've ridden saddle seat, side saddle, hunt seat pleasure, hunter/jumper, and tried my hand at fox hunting on an OTTB I couldn't handle. I've done showmanship, western pleasure, western trail classes, etc, etc. I chose dressage after having tried everything I could get my hands on. And I stuck with dressage because it has an unlimited learning potential. The more I know, the more I realize how much I don't know about dressage.

MG - you said you don't ride dressage, and you admit you don't know much about it. Your welcome to come take a lessons from my trainer to learn more about dressage. You can even use my horse. Or, I can try to find qualified dressage trainers in your area who have lesson horses you could use. And I'd be happy to talk about dressage with you at any time (if you'll lay off the insults). Maybe you'd be willing to help me find a barn that does cutters, or reiners, in my area that has lesson horses I could use for the first few times? Maybe we could meet in the middle of this divide instead of sitting on our respective fences hurling snide remarks? You seem like a person I could enjoy talking to if it weren't for this thread. Can we lay down the swords?
Sure why not.
Actually I've worked in most equine fields including dressage, but it has been a long time and I have not kept up to date with much in that field. That means not much though, but I do have an immense appreciation for the art of dressage.
I'm actually considering have a dressage instructor come to the barn and give myself and my horse some schooling.......bet that'll get heads turning

What area do you live in?
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Oh-mine is semi retired, and is loving life at a therapeutic riding center-they love him and he loves them. He has arthritis, and that is about all he can do now, but loves having a job with lots of lovin' as the perks.
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post #287 of 502 Old 11-28-2012, 03:32 AM
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my hanoverian would never win western pleasure. She's not built for it. Not to say I could never ride her western if I wanted to, but I prefer to work with her strengths and do sports that she is built for, instead of working against her body.

As for draft horses doing dressage, I wont get into that.
It is incredibly childish to criticise or imply critisim of anyone else's horse no matter what you think. I and a few other people in the UK, USA and Australia ride Heavy Horses and compete at dressage. Horse riding is not all about competition. It is about bringing out the best in the rider and the horse which as you point out, you do with your horse. Like a famous American rider once said "You can train a horse to do most things, but if you don't do it with love in your heart, you're a loser!"
Have alook at this video. You can see Clydesdales being ridden English and Western! This video is AMERICAN! Why don't you just be proud of what your country is achieving by pushing boundaries.
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please tell me where I critized ANYONES horse ? Except my own !

I didnt critize drafts, I said I wouldnt get into that.
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You know... in Europe, even non-horse people actually laugh to your face when you tell them that people use draft breeds (ie Friesians) for competitive riding horses in North America. "They are built to pull!!" is jested in your face. If Europe's non-horsey folk know this, then why do America's horsey folk still try to do it?? In Europe many folks ride draft crosses, or crosses of crosses for pleasure horses, but not for competition.

Think about making a guy with a linebacker build do ballet or long distance running. He is bound to injure himself!! Same with using a runner in place of a linebacker in a football game. People are good at different at different things, and enjoy doing what they are good at!! Only a crazy 6'5 250lb man would think he had a chance in hell of getting on the Olympic team for gymnastics or actually enjoy his training, or get through it injury free. It is the same with horses. I don't know why absolutely everyone is hellbent on using a pitchfork to move water here...
Yes drafts are beautiful, yes they can make lovely pleasure mounts and can be dependable on the trail but it is unfair to expect the horse to do upper level dressage. It is simply creating repetitive strain injuries in the horse for asking him to do things which are extremely hard for him OR in the case of just doing "tricks" and calling it dressage on an unfit horse then you are risking shearing ligament from bone, and especially so because of the size of the horse!!
If the image of this man doing a graceful ballet or a routine on uneven bars seems amusing to you, you will understand where I am coming from..
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You are talking a whole load of rubbish
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