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        11-28-2012, 01:52 PM
      #321
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    "working jog" and "working lope" are essentially the same as our working trot and canter. In the rules it states something about "to the horse's ability" I think. But anyways, as the WDAA representative doing the clinic in my area put it to the judges "It should be judged the exact same as a normal dressage test". Too slow/unrhythmical is penalized, head too low is penalized, behind the bit is penalized, shuffling gaits are penalized, etc..

    WDAA uses USDF judges. It is judged like a dressage test. Honestly the outcome will be the exact same as a normal dressage class and eventually people with non-traditional dressage breeds will be complaining again how their horses are beat by the elitist snobs on horses bred for dressage, just now it's in different tack. As was suggested in a previous WD thread, it would be far more "WD" like to have a western gaming event, like pole bending or barrels, and then go do your dressage test and the combined score determines placing. Like in eventing.
    now reading that, I ask myself why would dressage people go so low and do WD....to prove a point? And which one?
    Nothing wrong with a warmblood being ridden western, and capable of jogging and loping, but judging it as a dressage horse in a western event is just plain wrong and if I was the organizer of that show, I certainly wouldn't get that judge back.

    We'll see how it evolves over time.
         
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        11-28-2012, 01:55 PM
      #322
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Define "western horses".

    What happens when you tell all the arabian people they can't put western tack on their horses, or draft people, or gaited horse breeds??

    Anyone is apt to put whatever tack they want on their horse and go compete in whatever they want. It is the subjectivity of the judges that decides who will win. If dressage judges are used for WD and told "judge it exactly like a dressage test" it's no small wonder what is going to happen..
    What I'm saying is have breed registered classes.....like the AQHA etc.....then why not just put all the high point earners from all registered breeds in the ring once a year?? With reining you have the AQHA, for the quarter horses, then you have the APHA for the paint horses who have their own reining circuit etc....

    It would be interesting to have something like that with the warmbloods......then have a battle of the breeds once a year.....that would be interesting!

    As for breed specifics in terms of what they can and cannot do, any breed can have a decent go at 'most' things.....as for the Arabian horses, I'm sure they probably have their own WD circuit going already.....let's throw all the high point earners from every breed that has a WD circuit in the ring once a year.....that'd be fun!
         
        11-28-2012, 02:00 PM
      #323
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    What I'm saying is have breed registered classes.....like the AQHA etc.....then why not just put all the high point earners from all registered breeds in the ring once a year?? With reining you have the AQHA, for the quarter horses, then you have the APHA for the paint horses who have their own reining circuit etc....

    It would be interesting to have something like that with the warmbloods......then have a battle of the breeds once a year.....that would be interesting!
    Considering the WB breeds are so muddled, especially here in the states, I'm not sure it would be so interesting.
    My horse is Swedish branded but by a Hanoverian and out of a Danish mare. What breed would he compete for?

    RE: DHW

    How is it "low" for people on WBs to want to do WD?? I think it would be fun to find a western saddle and go do some different tests and get to wear a fancy rail shirt. How is it NOT elitist to say that?? Is it "low' of people with western breeds of horses to go in normal dressage?? I'm the elitist bitch, really??

    I'm saying that judges are instructed to judge WD as a dressage class, it's in the rule book. Please, go read it. Email the WDAA, they are super nice. If you didn't bring back judges who judged WD as a dressage class then you would have no judges left to judge it as you must use a USEF sanctioned dressage judge to judge the classes!
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        11-28-2012, 02:04 PM
      #324
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    I think it would be fun to find a western saddle and go do some different tests and get to wear a fancy rail shirt.
    Ha ha, that sounds different than the Western Dressage I saw last year at our schooling shows. Most of the people who showed up for WD appeared to be wearing the every day riding garb...stained blue jeans, beat up boots, long sleeve collard shirt and even their saddle pads were every day pads and not even "show" pads that you usually see at other Western Shows. One person wore her WP garb.
         
        11-28-2012, 02:05 PM
      #325
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    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    Ha ha, that sounds different than the Western Dressage I saw last year at our schooling shows. Most of the people who showed up for WD appeared to be wearing the every day riding garb...stained blue jeans, beat up boots, long sleeve collard shirt and even their saddle pads were every day pads and not even "show" pads that you usually see at other Western Shows. One person wore her WP garb.
    I would blind the judge with the amount of bling on me.
    I secretly lust for my rail shirts of old.
         
        11-28-2012, 02:09 PM
      #326
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    Originally Posted by core    
    I didn't say they couldn't use dressage everything (I'm assuming me since I posted the replies listing all the dressage specific stuff WD uses). I was saying that they need to adhere to the principles and concepts of dressage if they want to do dressage (in any tack they want). Current examples of WD do not show the basics of dressage training. That was all I was trying to say. Not that they couldn't in time create a broader understanding of the basics of dressage training and apply it correctly to a western horse if the rider so chooses. I just wish WDA would remove the slower gaits so the horse could be allowed to move out freely.
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    Honestly I can't remember who said it and refuse to go look
    I don't think the slower gaits should be removed as they are the western part. I also think there shouldn't be too much emphasis put on spectacular extended gaits, rather free-er and more forward.
         
        11-28-2012, 02:15 PM
      #327
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Define "western horses".

    What happens when you tell all the arabian people they can't put western tack on their horses, or draft people, or gaited horse breeds??

    Anyone is apt to put whatever tack they want on their horse and go compete in whatever they want. It is the subjectivity of the judges that decides who will win. If dressage judges are used for WD and told "judge it exactly like a dressage test" it's no small wonder what is going to happen..
    A Western Horse is a horse that lives 'out west' in America isn't it? In fact, any horse that lives in America is Western which means...they are all Western horses. End of arguments...LOL or should I be saying 'Define America' - which was a British Colony...which means that all British Horses are Western Horses too. Gosh I'm amazed. Must just go off and write a book!
         
        11-28-2012, 02:18 PM
      #328
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    Originally Posted by Bluebird    
    Here is my dressage contender! He's called Rodney and anyone who tells me his conformation is wrong...I'll send Rodders round and you can tell him yourself.
    Schweppes Bull - YouTube
    Wow, you have a Bull that does Schweppes Commercials?


    Hmmmmmm

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        11-28-2012, 02:20 PM
      #329
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Considering the WB breeds are so muddled, especially here in the states, I'm not sure it would be so interesting.
    My horse is Swedish branded but by a Hanoverian and out of a Danish mare. What breed would he compete for?

    RE: DHW

    How is it "low" for people on WBs to want to do WD?? I think it would be fun to find a western saddle and go do some different tests and get to wear a fancy rail shirt. How is it NOT elitist to say that?? Is it "low' of people with western breeds of horses to go in normal dressage?? I'm the elitist bitch, really??

    I'm saying that judges are instructed to judge WD as a dressage class, it's in the rule book. Please, go read it. Email the WDAA, they are super nice. If you didn't bring back judges who judged WD as a dressage class then you would have no judges left to judge it as you must use a USEF sanctioned dressage judge to judge the classes!
    Having a hard time following on my cell

    In going low was meant for those, and im sure they exist, who would go and compete in WD to "show them how a real horse wins all the time". Im sure you know the one or the other of that kind. And don't start the elitist thing again please, you are currently proving that you are not.
    If the Rulebook states that everything should be judged as dressage is, without taking into consideration the western elements, then something is wrong with it.
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        11-28-2012, 02:21 PM
      #330
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    Originally Posted by SouthernTrailsGA    
    Wow, you have a Bull that does Schweppes Commercials?


    Hmmmmmm

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    Yep! Sure do (LOL). Isn't he good?
    Also Have a couple of horses (Clydesdales) that do fashion photoshoots (that last bit is actually true!)
         

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