I think you missed this Core :)
Also, I actually think that reining/cutting shows a lot less collection than a GOOD, (Morgan) WP rider. You use neck reining to control reiners/cutters, and so far with my experience, I've never heard a single reiner/cutter even mention/seem like they care about collection.
Again, I think we have different opinions when it comes to collection. I believe that collection can vary based on the horse and the discipline, and the collection simply involves being on the bit and engaging a horse's haunches and that his hind legs should be reaching over the places where his front hooves last left the ground in a stride. You, from what I understand, believe that collection is simply as what is defined by the USDF and nothing more. It is true that balance is an important part of WP, but I have NEVER heard of anyone who does WP (Morgan) and does not plan on collecting there horse, at least in the way that WP defines collection. WP riders cannot show the level of extension and "floaty" gaits a dressage horse can-- that's not WP. Collection, in my opinion, it imparative to balance and I've ALWAYS been taught collection when I did WP. Trying to do WP without "collection" would just....uggg...I can't even fathom it.
Just glancing through this thread, as I thought it ran its course long ago, but...I couldn't let this slide (no pun intended
) If you really believe this, you haven't been around many reiners.
I will say that I find WP in Morgans (as with ANY of the "pleasure" classes with Morgans, honestly) to not look like anything I have ever seen of considered to be a "pleasure"! Tight reins, some in double bridle (one of the so called "pleasure" classes)......granted I don't know a ton about it, but have watched a few, since my niece shows at the world level in Morgan Pleasure.......
I also would just ask, and this is an honest question-why all the discussion about "bridle horses"? It seems to be being used almost synonymously with WD?
Anebel-honestly-get over the bit. It is only harsh if you actually use it, which most of us rarely do. I was petrified of a curb (**gasp**) when I first started riding reiners-but honestly-I never need to engage it. A slight change in the lift of the reins without any true contact as you know it is all that is needed. If it was that horrible my horse would not be practically diving into his headstall, would he?